Re: CEUR-WS.org: conflicting copyright statements?

Upon further analysis
It looks like the statement on the CEUR WS website corresponds to

 Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivatives 4.0 International
by-nc-nd/4.0
https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/4.0/legalcode

however, the license they ask  authors and organisers to sign gives away
the commercial rights
gross misrepresentation, to put it lightly




On Wed, Feb 17, 2021 at 3:24 PM Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Sarven et al
>
> I remembered this thread, today I spotted what looks like  a conflicting
> statement in the CEUR copyright policy
> would be good if you have insights, if you could help clarify the
> following:
>
> on the main page it states that anyone wishing to reuse the content must
> ask for permission, see txt highlighted below
>   http://ceur-ws.org/HOWTOSUBMIT.html
>
> This seems in conflict with the provision of ccc 4.0  authors are
> requested to sign where irrevocable commercial rights are granted
> CEUR author agreement
> http://ceur-ws.org/ceur-author-agreement-ccby-ntp.pdf?ver=2021-02-12
>
> Mindwrecking to me, insights appreciated
>
>
> From
>
> http://ceur-ws.org/HOWTOSUBMIT.html
>
>    - The copyright and any similar right for the proceedings and all
>    included material remain with the papers' authors (for the individual
>    papers) and with the proceedings editors (for the proceedings volume
>    as a whole). The publisher of proceedings volumes at CEUR-WS.org are the
>    respective editors.
>    - Users are allowed to access and read papers and proceedings
>    published via CEUR-WS.org. Open access is provided for private and academic
>    purposes. If work results are derived from papers published via
>    CEUR-WS.org, then the derived work must include proper attribution/citation
>    of the original paper. The open-access policy includes the right to store
>    the paper on personal devices, and to print the paper for private and
>    academic use.
>    - Re-publication of material published in CEUR-WS.org volumes requires
>    the permission by the copyright holders, i.e. to the paper's authors or the
>    volume editors, or both.
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 29, 2020 at 8:25 AM Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Sarven
>>
>> It is great to see alternative publishing outlets for proceedings,
>> I am evaluating this outlet and have two bits of feedback:
>>
>> *The process*
>> In http://ceur-ws.org/HOWTOSUBMIT.html
>> I find headings such as policy, benefits, preconditions etc
>> but not How to submit, Have to read in much detail the whole page to find
>> out how to submit. This information could be better organised, to make it
>> quicker for the reader
>> to find the information they need
>>
>> *POLICY -* the policy as declared in the page above is incomplete! some
>> important bit is missing: The team says in email:
>>
>> *we reserve the right to reject a submission based on our criteria.
>> Therules are necessarily vague.*
>>
>> What are the criteria?  This is not in the policy, however it seems
>> rather fundamental
>> I hope this service matures and to be using it ,
>> Best
>> PDM
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 8:42 PM Sarven Capadisli <info@csarven.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> This may be a useful reminder to all conferences and journals lining up
>>> to sign-up with the Springers, and the Elseviers, and the IOS Presses,
>>> etc.. to publish proceedings for "free".
>>>
>>> It is also a reminder to those that even go out of their way to provide
>>> free labour under the pretext of research to improve the systems of
>>> for-profit third-party publishers and analytics companies.
>>>
>>> Perhaps take a moment to consider the possibility of using or
>>> contributing to the development of services like CEUR-WS instead -
>>> beyond the workshops. CEUR-WS has a great track record against all odds.
>>>
>>> The CS/SW community owes!
>>>
>>> PS: For those unfamiliar with Journal Impact Factor, don't let anyone
>>> try to convince you that it is anything but hocus-pocus.
>>>
>>> -Sarven
>>> https://csarven.ca/#i
>>>
>>>
>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>> Subject: CEUR-WS.org: CEUR-WS-25th-anniversary-1995-2020
>>> Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2020 11:14:31 +0100
>>> From: CEUR-WS user <ceurws@sunsite.informatik.rwth-aachen.de>
>>> To: info@csarven.ca
>>>
>>> Dear colleague,
>>>
>>> you are one of the editors of Vol-1549 at CEUR-WS.org.
>>> You were instrumental to the success of CEUR-WS!
>>>
>>> We celebrate our 25th anniversary in 2020!
>>>
>>> **********************************************************
>>> Join us on Twitter and other social media using hashtags      #CEURWS
>>> #25thanniversary #openaccess
>>> **********************************************************
>>> Share your thoughts with us! What did you like? Where should we head to
>>> in the next 25 years?
>>>
>>>
>>> The first volume was published on April 6, 1995,
>>> a few months after RWTH Aachen started the SunSITE server
>>> to support academic collaboration worldwide.
>>>
>>> As of 2020-02-20, CEUR-WS has published more than 2500 volumes,
>>> free of cost for authors, editors and readers.
>>>
>>>
>>> Kind greetings,
>>>
>>> Manfred Jeusfeld, CEUR-WS Team
>>>
>>> PS: If you receive this email more than once, then this is because
>>> you were editir of multiple proceedings volumes at CEUR-WS. That is
>>> great!
>>>
>>>
>>>