Re: CEUR-WS.org: conflicting copyright statements?

Sarven et al

I remembered this thread, today I spotted what looks like  a conflicting
statement in the CEUR copyright policy
would be good if you have insights, if you could help clarify the following:

on the main page it states that anyone wishing to reuse the content must
ask for permission, see txt highlighted below
  http://ceur-ws.org/HOWTOSUBMIT.html

This seems in conflict with the provision of ccc 4.0  authors are requested
to sign where irrevocable commercial rights are granted
CEUR author agreement
http://ceur-ws.org/ceur-author-agreement-ccby-ntp.pdf?ver=2021-02-12

Mindwrecking to me, insights appreciated


From

http://ceur-ws.org/HOWTOSUBMIT.html

   - The copyright and any similar right for the proceedings and all
   included material remain with the papers' authors (for the individual
   papers) and with the proceedings editors (for the proceedings volume as
   a whole). The publisher of proceedings volumes at CEUR-WS.org are the
   respective editors.
   - Users are allowed to access and read papers and proceedings published
   via CEUR-WS.org. Open access is provided for private and academic purposes.
   If work results are derived from papers published via CEUR-WS.org, then the
   derived work must include proper attribution/citation of the original
   paper. The open-access policy includes the right to store the paper on
   personal devices, and to print the paper for private and academic use.
   - Re-publication of material published in CEUR-WS.org volumes requires
   the permission by the copyright holders, i.e. to the paper's authors or the
   volume editors, or both.


On Sat, Feb 29, 2020 at 8:25 AM Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Sarven
>
> It is great to see alternative publishing outlets for proceedings,
> I am evaluating this outlet and have two bits of feedback:
>
> *The process*
> In http://ceur-ws.org/HOWTOSUBMIT.html
> I find headings such as policy, benefits, preconditions etc
> but not How to submit, Have to read in much detail the whole page to find
> out how to submit. This information could be better organised, to make it
> quicker for the reader
> to find the information they need
>
> *POLICY -* the policy as declared in the page above is incomplete! some
> important bit is missing: The team says in email:
>
> *we reserve the right to reject a submission based on our criteria.
> Therules are necessarily vague.*
>
> What are the criteria?  This is not in the policy, however it seems
> rather fundamental
> I hope this service matures and to be using it ,
> Best
> PDM
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 8:42 PM Sarven Capadisli <info@csarven.ca> wrote:
>
>> This may be a useful reminder to all conferences and journals lining up
>> to sign-up with the Springers, and the Elseviers, and the IOS Presses,
>> etc.. to publish proceedings for "free".
>>
>> It is also a reminder to those that even go out of their way to provide
>> free labour under the pretext of research to improve the systems of
>> for-profit third-party publishers and analytics companies.
>>
>> Perhaps take a moment to consider the possibility of using or
>> contributing to the development of services like CEUR-WS instead -
>> beyond the workshops. CEUR-WS has a great track record against all odds.
>>
>> The CS/SW community owes!
>>
>> PS: For those unfamiliar with Journal Impact Factor, don't let anyone
>> try to convince you that it is anything but hocus-pocus.
>>
>> -Sarven
>> https://csarven.ca/#i
>>
>>
>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>> Subject: CEUR-WS.org: CEUR-WS-25th-anniversary-1995-2020
>> Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2020 11:14:31 +0100
>> From: CEUR-WS user <ceurws@sunsite.informatik.rwth-aachen.de>
>> To: info@csarven.ca
>>
>> Dear colleague,
>>
>> you are one of the editors of Vol-1549 at CEUR-WS.org.
>> You were instrumental to the success of CEUR-WS!
>>
>> We celebrate our 25th anniversary in 2020!
>>
>> **********************************************************
>> Join us on Twitter and other social media using hashtags      #CEURWS
>> #25thanniversary #openaccess
>> **********************************************************
>> Share your thoughts with us! What did you like? Where should we head to
>> in the next 25 years?
>>
>>
>> The first volume was published on April 6, 1995,
>> a few months after RWTH Aachen started the SunSITE server
>> to support academic collaboration worldwide.
>>
>> As of 2020-02-20, CEUR-WS has published more than 2500 volumes,
>> free of cost for authors, editors and readers.
>>
>>
>> Kind greetings,
>>
>> Manfred Jeusfeld, CEUR-WS Team
>>
>> PS: If you receive this email more than once, then this is because
>> you were editir of multiple proceedings volumes at CEUR-WS. That is
>> great!
>>
>>
>>