- From: Phillip Rhodes <motley.crue.fan@gmail.com>
- Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2018 22:46:08 -0400
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- Cc: adam.saltiel@gmail.com, danbri@danbri.org, dsr@w3.org, martin@weborganics.co.uk, henry.story@bblfish.net, frans.knibbe@geodan.nl, semantic-web@w3.org
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Keep the list as is. I don't care about the mechanics of the "behind the scenes" W3C book-keeping, but inertia is a real thing, and it's a lot easier to keep people subscribed to, and talk in, this list as opposed to asking people to join (a) new list(s), etc. Phil ~~~ This message optimized for indexing by NSA PRISM On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 12:10 PM ProjectParadigm-ICT-Program < metadataportals@yahoo.com> wrote: > +1 to keep list as is. > > Milton Ponson > GSM: +297 747 8280 > PO Box 1154, Oranjestad > Aruba, Dutch Caribbean > Project Paradigm: Bringing the ICT tools for sustainable development to > all stakeholders worldwide through collaborative research on applied > mathematics, advanced modeling, software and standards development > > > On Friday, October 19, 2018 3:31 PM, adasal <adam.saltiel@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > From Camus, "because as he framed it "naming things badly adds to the > misfortune of the world"." That is a biblical reference, or sort of > anti-reference, too. > Well it's an interesting and delightful discussion. I find it funny that > people are thinking to rename the list, I very much like the name it has! > But if you will excuse the whimsy, how about w3, then it would be > w3@w3.org. I'm making mischief. You know that Gavin Wood > http://gavwood.com/ claims to have coined the term web 3? "I came up with > the terms 'web three' and 'allegality'." > He manages make 2014 seem such a long time ago! > Anyway, this touches on many issues: naming, appropriation, > reappropriation, truth, lies, falsehood. > I'm not meaning to poke great fun at Gavin Wood apart from so as to say I > believe there are lies and serious lies. Serious lies are those to do with > our own personal psychology. > Surely, I can see that all of this is for another discussion. > Still, we can speak truly and we can speak falsely, we can name correctly > and we can name incorrectly. > How interesting then the allusion to the "outerverse", the objective or > outer mind of the deity where names are just given. > Working in the semantic web people know that names and concepts are not > "just given". Where do they come from, how are they established? Can an AI > help, perhaps working with the most carefully crafted ontology, or was that > even ever the aim? > I think not, however the discussion doesn't end here …. > > Adam > > > Adam Saltiel > > > > > On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 1:54 PM, Nicolas Chauvat nicolas.chauvat@logilab.fr > wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 02:09:48PM -0700, Dan Brickley wrote: > > May I gently suggest that the name isn't the core problem here? > > In my opinion, the core problem the Web is trying to solve is "How > could we share the things we have in our computers in a way that is > interoperable and as simple as it could be ?". > > URLs being names for the things we share on the Web, I would argue > that names are at the core of the Web and that the great advance of > the Web was to embody the idea of hypertext by building on the already > working Domain Name System (names again). > > RDF is a special case among the languages that are used to share data > over the Web because its uses web-enabled names (URLs) to encode the > data. It is like sending a text to someone after annotating each and > every single word with its entry in a specific edition of a > dictionnary. Say good bye to polysemy and hello to immediate lookup of > definitions. > > That core problem stated, I can't help thinking with > https://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q34670 that naming is very important > in any thought process, because as he framed it "naming things badly > adds to the misfortune of the world". > > And what we are doing on this list if not thinking about and designing > the tools to solve the above problem ? If we can agree on the right > names for the different parts of the Semantic Web we have been > designing, I believe we are making progress. > > -- > Nicolas Chauvat > > logilab.fr - services en informatique scientifique et gestion de > connaissances > > > > >
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