Re: Semantic Web Interest Group now closed

+1 to keep list as is. Milton Ponson
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    On Friday, October 19, 2018 3:31 PM, adasal <adam.saltiel@gmail.com> wrote:
 

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|  From Camus, "because as he framed it "naming things badly adds to the misfortune of the world"." That is a biblical reference, or sort of anti-reference, too.Well it's an interesting and delightful discussion. I find it funny that people are thinking to rename the list, I very much like the name it has!But if you will excuse the whimsy, how about w3, then it would be w3@w3.org. I'm making mischief. You know that Gavin Wood http://gavwood.com/ claims to have coined the term web 3? "I came up with the terms 'web three' and 'allegality'."He manages make 2014 seem such a long time ago!Anyway, this touches on many issues: naming, appropriation, reappropriation, truth, lies, falsehood.I'm not meaning to poke great fun at Gavin Wood apart from so as to say I believe there are lies and serious lies. Serious lies are those to do with our own personal psychology.Surely, I can see that all of this is for another discussion.Still, we can speak truly and we can speak falsely, we can name correctly and we can name incorrectly.How interesting then the allusion to the "outerverse", the objective or outer mind of the deity where names are just given.Working in the semantic web people know that names and concepts are not "just given". Where do they come from, how are they established? Can an AI help, perhaps working with the most carefully crafted ontology, or was that even ever the aim?I think not, however the discussion doesn't end here ….
Adam

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  On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 1:54 PM, Nicolas Chauvat  nicolas.chauvat@logilab.fr wrote:
 
  On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 02:09:48PM -0700, Dan Brickley wrote:> May I gently suggest that the name isn't the core problem here?
In my opinion, the core problem the Web is trying to solve is "Howcould we share the things we have in our computers in a way that isinteroperable and as simple as it could be ?".
URLs being names for the things we share on the Web, I would arguethat names are at the core of the Web and that the great advance ofthe Web was to embody the idea of hypertext by building on the alreadyworking Domain Name System (names again).
RDF is a special case among the languages that are used to share dataover the Web because its uses web-enabled names (URLs) to encode thedata. It is like sending a text to someone after annotating each andevery single word with its entry in a specific edition of adictionnary. Say good bye to polysemy and hello to immediate lookup ofdefinitions.
That core problem stated, I can't help thinking withhttps://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q34670 that naming is very importantin any thought process, because as he framed it "naming things badlyadds to the misfortune of the world".
And what we are doing on this list if not thinking about and designingthe tools to solve the above problem ? If we can agree on the rightnames for the different parts of the Semantic Web we have beendesigning, I believe we are making progress.
-- Nicolas Chauvat
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