- From: Martynas Jusevičius <martynas@atomgraph.com>
- Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2018 12:57:12 +0200
- To: Paola Di Maio <paoladimaio10@googlemail.com>
- Cc: ProjectParadigm-ICT-Program <metadataportals@yahoo.com>, brandon whitehead <brandonnodnarb@gmail.com>, "Eric Prud'hommeaux" <eric@w3.org>, semantic-web at W3C <semantic-web@w3c.org>
- Message-ID: <CAE35Vmy9xaC+9ukuPsm1PfRDjQ_t0B6r1w9-fRWYDgqEYjJwPg@mail.gmail.com>
Sounds like reading the RDF Primer could clear some things up for you :) https://www.w3.org/TR/rdf11-primer/ On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 11:22 AM, Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com> wrote: > thank you Martynas > > I become a little confused, because I consider turtle a type of RDF > we ll keep Turtle in mind when we get to this work > > I presume encoding ( xml to rdf to turtle mapping/conversion) should not > be a problem? > > the problem is modelling the domain > > On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 2:18 PM, Martynas Jusevičius < > martynas@atomgraph.com> wrote: > >> If you're thinking RDF graphs, they have multiple different syntaxes. One >> of them is based on XML markup (RDF/XML), which is useful in an XML >> pipeline.. But plain text-based Turtle syntax is much more human-readable. >> >> On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 10:22 AM, Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Thank you for sharing Milton >>> >>> nice pointer to this interesting project but, isnt markup languages >>> still >>> required/useful for representation even in knowledge graphs? >>> >>> and if not, isnt markup language the most basic way to enable >>> intelligent knowledge exchange on the web >>> so that it can be useful even without a knowledge graph? >>> >>> pdm >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 9:22 AM, ProjectParadigm-ICT-Program < >>> metadataportals@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Modeling AI on the web in my humble opinion is no longer a question of >>>> simple markup languages, the Internet of Things or more succinctly Internet >>>> of Data, Devices, DNA and Digital Agents (IOD4) increasingly uses both AI >>>> and virtual reality technologies. >>>> >>>> In such a setting using ontologies, parsers and any automated process >>>> that codes or decodes and interfaces, either in NL setting or otherwise >>>> must use of category theory to create the required abstraction for >>>> knowledge graphs. >>>> >>>> Take a look at the Blue Brain Nexus for lateral thinking: >>>> >>>> BlueBrain/nexus <https://github.com/BlueBrain/nexus> >>>> >>>> BlueBrain/nexus >>>> nexus - Blue Brain Nexus - A knowledge graph for data-driven science >>>> <https://github.com/BlueBrain/nexus> >>>> >>>> Milton Ponson >>>> GSM: +297 747 8280 >>>> PO Box 1154, Oranjestad >>>> Aruba, Dutch Caribbean >>>> Project Paradigm: Bringing the ICT tools for sustainable development >>>> to all stakeholders worldwide through collaborative research on applied >>>> mathematics, advanced modeling, software and standards development >>>> >>>> >>>> On Saturday, May 12, 2018 10:29 AM, Paola Di Maio < >>>> paola.dimaio@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks a lot >>>> >>>> looks useful- and a good start >>>> >>>> so MLschema is in practice a... MLML.? >>>> a draft - >>>> >>>> is it suggested that all knowledge schemas to support >>>> automated reasoning and AI should/could adopt its core elements as its >>>> base >>>> (in which I could think if/how this can help my task maybeevaluate it >>>> against our use cases) >>>> >>>> I checked out OpenML and found no credits, who did it, when etc >>>> also it is not clear if its openmarkuplanguage or openmedialibrary >>>> since both seem associated with the same group (Kronos? are they >>>> associated with OKF ?) >>>> both come up in searches >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, May 12, 2018 at 6:58 PM, brandon whitehead < >>>> brandonnodnarb@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Paola, >>>> The machine learning community group [1] published a draft core schema >>>> about a year ago that, at the very least, may be of interest (link on >>>> main page). >>>> >>>> [1] https://www.w3.org/community/ ml-schema/ >>>> <https://www.w3.org/community/ml-schema/> >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> /Brandon >>>> >>>> On 12/05/18 11:51, Paola Di Maio wrote: >>>> > Eric >>>> > Yes, of course getting the key stakeholders involved- >>>> > >>>> > since you are familiar with the member base >>>> > i ll be happy to pitch directly members who are working on AI >>>> > if you could suggest a way to shortlist them/approach them >>>> > >>>> > P >>>> > >>>> > On Sat, May 12, 2018 at 3:36 PM, Eric Prud'hommeaux <eric@w3.org >>>> > <mailto:eric@w3.org>> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > * Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com >>>> > <mailto:paola.dimaio@gmail.com >> [2018-05-12 15:15+0530] >>>> > > Thank you Eric >>>> > > >>>> > > at this stage, I was thinking of some web based knowledge >>>> representation >>>> > > mechanism or ML for something that I am working on related to AI >>>> > > (I have learned my lessons- glad to share details of this early >>>> concept >>>> > > offlist to those who may express interest until it's solid ) >>>> > > >>>> > > I did a search, and found AIML which seems the closest to what >>>> I require >>>> > > however could not find a formal specification to study it >>>> further, and >>>> > > wondered about any interest to W3C. >>>> > > >>>> > > I am pretty sure the web needs what I am thinking of, to what >>>> extent its >>>> > > feasible or we can find folks to do it and adopt it, I dunno >>>> > >>>> > To motivate standardization, you have to dig up use cases that not >>>> > only need some technology, but motivate distinct entities using a >>>> > common form or interface to that technology. So a win would be >>>> > e.g. when folks can combine commodity tools to generate such data >>>> > with commodity tools which make use of it. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > > > There's nothing saying you >>>> > > > can't have a hybrid system which e.g. uses SemWeb for entity >>>> > > > recognition (à la NCBO annotator) or records ML assertions in >>>> > RDF for >>>> > > > further rule execution. That requires people to have >>>> expertise and >>>> > > > commitment in both camps and so far, those folks haven't >>>> banded >>>> > > > together with a set of shared use cases and goals. >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > Am thinking of something fluid, ML should be sufficient for my >>>> > requirement >>>> > > at this stage- also confess that i favour simplicity over >>>> > sophistication >>>> > > >>>> > > but could not find anything that does what I require so >>>> thinking maybe >>>> > > something can be done- >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > > If you can muster >>>> > > > the troops (an army of five, to be exact), you can easily >>>> create >>>> > a W3C >>>> > > > Community Group (see [CREATE A COMMUNITY GROUP] at >>>> > > > <https://www.w3.org/community/ groups/ >>>> <https://www.w3.org/community/groups/> >>>> > <https://www.w3.org/community/ groups/ >>>> <https://www.w3.org/community/groups/>>>). >>>> >>>> > > > >>>> > > >>>> > > yep, done it before. I chaired a nice group that did good work >>>> for >>>> > one year >>>> > > then suddenly fell silent and I am still traumatized by the >>>> > experience. :-) >>>> > > (joke - it was valuable!) >>>> > > >>>> > > anyone interested in AI ML of sorts who is reliable and >>>> > competent (not >>>> > > afraid of failure?) welcome to brainstorm offlist to discuss >>>> early >>>> > stage >>>> > > concept for this work >>>> > > >>>> > > , I need specifically folks who can do implementation side of >>>> things >>>> > > (writing a parsers for validation, and implement the test cases >>>> > etc) and >>>> > > who are good at getting research funding - I am okay with the >>>> > concept and >>>> > > system design part, and that's about it >>>> > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > The tutorial seemed to be about a template language for >>>> natural >>>> > > > language interfaces while the overview seemed to go more into >>>> the >>>> > > > actual processing logic. Do you know if AIML captures AI >>>> logic and >>>> > > > what use cases would motivate favoring such a standard for >>>> Semantic >>>> > > > Web work? >>>> > > > >>>> > > >>>> > > No, guess not but not sure. AIML seems very very thin at the >>>> moment, >>>> > > although there is a free working prototype online which seems to >>>> > be using it >>>> > > https://home.pandorabots.com/ en/ >>>> <https://home.pandorabots.com/en/> <https://home.pandorabots.com/ en/ >>>> <https://home.pandorabots.com/en/>> >>>> > > >>>> > > I think there's work to be done- >>>> > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > -- >>>> > > > -ericP >>>> > > > >>>> > > > office: +1.617.599.3509 >>>> > > > mobile: +33.6.80.80.35.59 >>>> > > > >>>> > > > (eric@w3.org <mailto:eric@w3.org>) >>>> > > > Feel free to forward this message to any list for any purpose >>>> > other than >>>> > > > email address distribution. >>>> > > > >>>> > > > There are subtle nuances encoded in font variation and clever >>>> layout >>>> > > > which can only be seen by printing this message on high-clay >>>> paper. >>>> > > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > -- >>>> > > *A bit about me <https://about.me/paoladimaio> * >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > -ericP >>>> > >>>> > office: +1.617.599.3509 >>>> > mobile: +33.6.80.80.35.59 >>>> > >>>> > (eric@w3.org <mailto:eric@w3.org>) >>>> > Feel free to forward this message to any list for any purpose >>>> other than >>>> > email address distribution. >>>> > >>>> > There are subtle nuances encoded in font variation and clever >>>> layout >>>> > which can only be seen by printing this message on high-clay >>>> paper. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > *A bit about me <https://about.me/paoladimaio> * >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> *A bit about me <https://about.me/paoladimaio>* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> *A bit about me <https://about.me/paoladimaio>* >>> >>> >> > > > -- > *A bit about me <https://about.me/paoladimaio>* > >
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