Re: AIML?

Thanks Eric and Stian

we can convert pretty anything to anything these days and are no short of
options
just browsing through search results so many online tools make me dizzy

(I guess this is why people use maths, and why I do not concern myself much
with the implementation side of things
last of my worries)

the challenge for modelling the domain remains, I am busy in the conceptual
space,

do I see five ppl in cc?
possibly enough to get a community of interest going
will ping offlist to check



On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 3:18 PM, Stian Soiland-Reyes <
soiland-reyes@manchester.ac.uk> wrote:

> Right, you can convert pretty seamlessly between all RDF formats using
> tools like Apache Jena RIOT.
>
>
>
> Some of the formats like N-Quads can also use quads
> (graph-subject-predicate-object) which is not supported by all
> serializations.
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>
> Some of the “inline” formats like HTML+RDFa or JSON-LD as used by
> http://schema.org/  might be better to construct manually using
> templates, to make them more sensible for browsers/humans or non-RDF
> consumption.
>
>
>
> --
> Stian Soiland-Reyes, eScience Lab
> School of Computer Science, The University of Manchester
> http://orcid.org/0000-0001-9842-9718
>
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>
> *From: *Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com>
> *Sent: *27 June 2018 09:27
> *To: *Martynas Jusevičius <martynas@atomgraph.com>
> *Cc: *Paola Di Maio <paoladimaio10@googlemail.com>;
> ProjectParadigm-ICT-Program <metadataportals@yahoo.com>; brandon whitehead
> <brandonnodnarb@gmail.com>; Eric Prud'hommeaux <eric@w3.org>; semantic-web
> at W3C <semantic-web@w3c.org>
> *Subject: *Re: AIML?
>
>
> thank you Martynas
>
> I become a little confused, because I consider turtle a type of RDF
> we ll keep Turtle in mind when we get to this work
>
> I presume encoding ( xml to rdf to turtle mapping/conversion) should not
> be a problem?
>
> the problem  is modelling the domain
>
> On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 2:18 PM, Martynas Jusevičius <
> martynas@atomgraph.com> wrote:
>
>> If you're thinking RDF graphs, they have multiple different syntaxes. One
>> of them is based on XML markup (RDF/XML), which is useful in an XML
>> pipeline.. But plain text-based Turtle syntax is much more human-readable.
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 10:22 AM, Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you for sharing Milton
>>>
>>> nice pointer to this interesting project  but, isnt markup languages
>>> still
>>> required/useful for representation even in knowledge graphs?
>>>
>>> and if not, isnt markup language the most basic way to enable
>>> intelligent knowledge exchange on the web
>>> so that it can be useful even without a knowledge graph?
>>>
>>> pdm
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 9:22 AM, ProjectParadigm-ICT-Program <
>>> metadataportals@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Modeling AI on the web in my humble opinion is no longer a question of
>>>> simple markup languages, the Internet of Things or more succinctly Internet
>>>> of Data, Devices, DNA and Digital Agents (IOD4) increasingly uses both AI
>>>> and virtual reality technologies.
>>>>
>>>> In such a setting using ontologies, parsers and any automated process
>>>> that codes or decodes and interfaces, either in NL setting or otherwise
>>>> must use of category theory to create the required abstraction for
>>>> knowledge graphs.
>>>>
>>>> Take a look at the Blue Brain Nexus for lateral thinking:
>>>>
>>>> BlueBrain/nexus <https://github.com/BlueBrain/nexus>
>>>>
>>>> BlueBrain/nexus
>>>> nexus - Blue Brain Nexus - A knowledge graph for data-driven science
>>>> <https://github.com/BlueBrain/nexus>
>>>>
>>>> Milton Ponson
>>>> GSM: +297 747 8280
>>>> PO Box 1154, Oranjestad
>>>> Aruba, Dutch Caribbean
>>>> Project Paradigm: Bringing the ICT tools for sustainable development
>>>> to all stakeholders worldwide through collaborative research on applied
>>>> mathematics, advanced modeling, software and standards development
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, May 12, 2018 10:29 AM, Paola Di Maio <
>>>> paola.dimaio@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks a lot
>>>>
>>>> looks useful- and a good start
>>>>
>>>> so MLschema is in practice a... MLML.?
>>>> a draft -
>>>>
>>>> is it suggested that all knowledge schemas to support
>>>> automated reasoning and AI should/could adopt its core elements as its
>>>> base
>>>> (in which I could think if/how this can help my task maybeevaluate it
>>>> against our use cases)
>>>>
>>>> I checked out OpenML and found no credits, who did it, when etc
>>>> also it is not clear if its openmarkuplanguage or openmedialibrary
>>>> since both seem associated with the same group (Kronos? are they
>>>> associated with OKF ?)
>>>>  both come up in searches
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, May 12, 2018 at 6:58 PM, brandon whitehead <
>>>> brandonnodnarb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Paola,
>>>> The machine learning community group [1] published a draft core schema
>>>> about a year ago that, at the very least, may be of  interest (link on
>>>> main page).
>>>>
>>>> [1] https://www.w3.org/community/ ml-schema/
>>>> <https://www.w3.org/community/ml-schema/>
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> /Brandon
>>>>
>>>> On 12/05/18 11:51, Paola Di Maio wrote:
>>>> > Eric
>>>> > Yes, of course getting the key stakeholders involved-
>>>> >
>>>> >  since you are familiar with the member base
>>>> > i ll be happy to pitch directly members who are working on AI
>>>> > if you could suggest a way to shortlist them/approach them
>>>> >
>>>> > P
>>>> >
>>>> > On Sat, May 12, 2018 at 3:36 PM, Eric Prud'hommeaux <eric@w3.org
>>>> > <mailto:eric@w3.org>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >     * Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com
>>>> >     <mailto:paola.dimaio@gmail.com >> [2018-05-12 15:15+0530]
>>>> >     > Thank you Eric
>>>> >     >
>>>> >     > at this stage, I was thinking of some web based knowledge
>>>> representation
>>>> >     > mechanism or ML for something that I am working on related to AI
>>>> >     > (I have learned my lessons- glad to share details of this early
>>>> concept
>>>> >     > offlist to those who may express interest until it's solid )
>>>> >     >
>>>> >     > I did a search, and found AIML which seems the closest to what
>>>> I require
>>>> >     > however could not find a formal specification to study it
>>>> further, and
>>>> >     > wondered about any interest to W3C.
>>>> >     >
>>>> >     > I am pretty sure the web needs what I am thinking of, to what
>>>> extent its
>>>> >     > feasible or we can find folks to do it and adopt it, I dunno
>>>> >
>>>> >     To motivate standardization, you have to dig up use cases that not
>>>> >     only need some technology, but motivate distinct entities using a
>>>> >     common form or interface to that technology. So a win would be
>>>> >     e.g. when folks can combine commodity tools to generate such data
>>>> >     with commodity tools which make use of it.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >     > >  There's nothing saying you
>>>> >     > > can't have a hybrid system which e.g. uses SemWeb for entity
>>>> >     > > recognition (à la NCBO annotator) or records ML assertions in
>>>> >     RDF for
>>>> >     > > further rule execution. That requires people to have
>>>> expertise and
>>>> >     > > commitment in both camps and so far, those folks haven't
>>>> banded
>>>> >     > > together with a set of shared use cases and goals.
>>>> >     >
>>>> >     >
>>>> >     > Am thinking of something fluid,  ML should be sufficient for my
>>>> >     requirement
>>>> >     > at this stage- also confess that i favour simplicity over
>>>> >     sophistication
>>>> >     >
>>>> >     > but could not find anything that does what I require so
>>>> thinking maybe
>>>> >     > something can be done-
>>>> >     >
>>>> >     >
>>>> >     > > If you can muster
>>>> >     > > the troops (an army of five, to be exact), you can easily
>>>> create
>>>> >     a W3C
>>>> >     > > Community Group (see [CREATE A COMMUNITY GROUP] at
>>>> >     > > <https://www.w3.org/community/ groups/
>>>> <https://www.w3.org/community/groups/>
>>>> >     <https://www.w3.org/community/ groups/
>>>> <https://www.w3.org/community/groups/>>>).
>>>>
>>>> >     > >
>>>> >     >
>>>> >     > yep, done it before. I chaired a nice group that did good work
>>>> for
>>>> >     one year
>>>> >     > then suddenly fell silent and I am still traumatized  by the
>>>> >     experience. :-)
>>>> >     > (joke - it was valuable!)
>>>> >     >
>>>> >     >  anyone interested in AI ML of sorts who is reliable and
>>>> >     competent  (not
>>>> >     > afraid of failure?) welcome to brainstorm offlist to discuss
>>>> early
>>>> >     stage
>>>> >     > concept for this work
>>>> >     >
>>>> >     > , I need specifically folks who can do implementation side of
>>>> things
>>>> >     > (writing a parsers for validation, and implement the test cases
>>>> >     etc) and
>>>> >     > who are good at getting research funding - I am okay with the
>>>> >     concept and
>>>> >     > system design part, and that's about it
>>>> >     >
>>>> >     > >
>>>> >     > > >
>>>> >     > >
>>>> >     > > The tutorial seemed to be about a template language for
>>>> natural
>>>> >     > > language interfaces while the overview seemed to go more into
>>>> the
>>>> >     > > actual processing logic. Do you know if AIML captures AI
>>>> logic and
>>>> >     > > what use cases would motivate favoring such a standard for
>>>> Semantic
>>>> >     > > Web work?
>>>> >     > >
>>>> >     >
>>>> >     > No, guess not but not sure. AIML seems very very thin at the
>>>> moment,
>>>> >     > although there is a free working prototype online which seems to
>>>> >     be using it
>>>> >     > https://home.pandorabots.com/ en/
>>>> <https://home.pandorabots.com/en/> <https://home.pandorabots.com/ en/
>>>> <https://home.pandorabots.com/en/>>
>>>> >     >
>>>> >     > I think there's work to be done-
>>>> >     >
>>>> >     > >
>>>> >     > >
>>>> >     > > --
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