- From: Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com>
- Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2018 14:52:48 +0530
- To: Martynas Jusevičius <martynas@atomgraph.com>
- Cc: Paola Di Maio <paoladimaio10@googlemail.com>, ProjectParadigm-ICT-Program <metadataportals@yahoo.com>, brandon whitehead <brandonnodnarb@gmail.com>, "Eric Prud'hommeaux" <eric@w3.org>, semantic-web at W3C <semantic-web@w3c.org>
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thank you Martynas I become a little confused, because I consider turtle a type of RDF we ll keep Turtle in mind when we get to this work I presume encoding ( xml to rdf to turtle mapping/conversion) should not be a problem? the problem is modelling the domain On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 2:18 PM, Martynas Jusevičius <martynas@atomgraph.com > wrote: > If you're thinking RDF graphs, they have multiple different syntaxes. One > of them is based on XML markup (RDF/XML), which is useful in an XML > pipeline.. But plain text-based Turtle syntax is much more human-readable. > > On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 10:22 AM, Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Thank you for sharing Milton >> >> nice pointer to this interesting project but, isnt markup languages still >> required/useful for representation even in knowledge graphs? >> >> and if not, isnt markup language the most basic way to enable intelligent >> knowledge exchange on the web >> so that it can be useful even without a knowledge graph? >> >> pdm >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 9:22 AM, ProjectParadigm-ICT-Program < >> metadataportals@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>> Modeling AI on the web in my humble opinion is no longer a question of >>> simple markup languages, the Internet of Things or more succinctly Internet >>> of Data, Devices, DNA and Digital Agents (IOD4) increasingly uses both AI >>> and virtual reality technologies. >>> >>> In such a setting using ontologies, parsers and any automated process >>> that codes or decodes and interfaces, either in NL setting or otherwise >>> must use of category theory to create the required abstraction for >>> knowledge graphs. >>> >>> Take a look at the Blue Brain Nexus for lateral thinking: >>> >>> BlueBrain/nexus <https://github.com/BlueBrain/nexus> >>> >>> BlueBrain/nexus >>> nexus - Blue Brain Nexus - A knowledge graph for data-driven science >>> <https://github.com/BlueBrain/nexus> >>> >>> Milton Ponson >>> GSM: +297 747 8280 >>> PO Box 1154, Oranjestad >>> Aruba, Dutch Caribbean >>> Project Paradigm: Bringing the ICT tools for sustainable development to >>> all stakeholders worldwide through collaborative research on applied >>> mathematics, advanced modeling, software and standards development >>> >>> >>> On Saturday, May 12, 2018 10:29 AM, Paola Di Maio < >>> paola.dimaio@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Thanks a lot >>> >>> looks useful- and a good start >>> >>> so MLschema is in practice a... MLML.? >>> a draft - >>> >>> is it suggested that all knowledge schemas to support >>> automated reasoning and AI should/could adopt its core elements as its >>> base >>> (in which I could think if/how this can help my task maybeevaluate it >>> against our use cases) >>> >>> I checked out OpenML and found no credits, who did it, when etc >>> also it is not clear if its openmarkuplanguage or openmedialibrary >>> since both seem associated with the same group (Kronos? are they >>> associated with OKF ?) >>> both come up in searches >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, May 12, 2018 at 6:58 PM, brandon whitehead < >>> brandonnodnarb@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Paola, >>> The machine learning community group [1] published a draft core schema >>> about a year ago that, at the very least, may be of interest (link on >>> main page). >>> >>> [1] https://www.w3.org/community/ ml-schema/ >>> <https://www.w3.org/community/ml-schema/> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> /Brandon >>> >>> On 12/05/18 11:51, Paola Di Maio wrote: >>> > Eric >>> > Yes, of course getting the key stakeholders involved- >>> > >>> > since you are familiar with the member base >>> > i ll be happy to pitch directly members who are working on AI >>> > if you could suggest a way to shortlist them/approach them >>> > >>> > P >>> > >>> > On Sat, May 12, 2018 at 3:36 PM, Eric Prud'hommeaux <eric@w3.org >>> > <mailto:eric@w3.org>> wrote: >>> > >>> > * Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com >>> > <mailto:paola.dimaio@gmail.com >> [2018-05-12 15:15+0530] >>> > > Thank you Eric >>> > > >>> > > at this stage, I was thinking of some web based knowledge >>> representation >>> > > mechanism or ML for something that I am working on related to AI >>> > > (I have learned my lessons- glad to share details of this early >>> concept >>> > > offlist to those who may express interest until it's solid ) >>> > > >>> > > I did a search, and found AIML which seems the closest to what I >>> require >>> > > however could not find a formal specification to study it >>> further, and >>> > > wondered about any interest to W3C. >>> > > >>> > > I am pretty sure the web needs what I am thinking of, to what >>> extent its >>> > > feasible or we can find folks to do it and adopt it, I dunno >>> > >>> > To motivate standardization, you have to dig up use cases that not >>> > only need some technology, but motivate distinct entities using a >>> > common form or interface to that technology. So a win would be >>> > e.g. when folks can combine commodity tools to generate such data >>> > with commodity tools which make use of it. >>> > >>> > >>> > > > There's nothing saying you >>> > > > can't have a hybrid system which e.g. uses SemWeb for entity >>> > > > recognition (à la NCBO annotator) or records ML assertions in >>> > RDF for >>> > > > further rule execution. That requires people to have expertise >>> and >>> > > > commitment in both camps and so far, those folks haven't banded >>> > > > together with a set of shared use cases and goals. >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Am thinking of something fluid, ML should be sufficient for my >>> > requirement >>> > > at this stage- also confess that i favour simplicity over >>> > sophistication >>> > > >>> > > but could not find anything that does what I require so thinking >>> maybe >>> > > something can be done- >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > > If you can muster >>> > > > the troops (an army of five, to be exact), you can easily >>> create >>> > a W3C >>> > > > Community Group (see [CREATE A COMMUNITY GROUP] at >>> > > > <https://www.w3.org/community/ groups/ >>> <https://www.w3.org/community/groups/> >>> > <https://www.w3.org/community/ groups/ >>> <https://www.w3.org/community/groups/>>>). >>> >>> > > > >>> > > >>> > > yep, done it before. I chaired a nice group that did good work >>> for >>> > one year >>> > > then suddenly fell silent and I am still traumatized by the >>> > experience. :-) >>> > > (joke - it was valuable!) >>> > > >>> > > anyone interested in AI ML of sorts who is reliable and >>> > competent (not >>> > > afraid of failure?) welcome to brainstorm offlist to discuss >>> early >>> > stage >>> > > concept for this work >>> > > >>> > > , I need specifically folks who can do implementation side of >>> things >>> > > (writing a parsers for validation, and implement the test cases >>> > etc) and >>> > > who are good at getting research funding - I am okay with the >>> > concept and >>> > > system design part, and that's about it >>> > > >>> > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > The tutorial seemed to be about a template language for natural >>> > > > language interfaces while the overview seemed to go more into >>> the >>> > > > actual processing logic. Do you know if AIML captures AI logic >>> and >>> > > > what use cases would motivate favoring such a standard for >>> Semantic >>> > > > Web work? >>> > > > >>> > > >>> > > No, guess not but not sure. AIML seems very very thin at the >>> moment, >>> > > although there is a free working prototype online which seems to >>> > be using it >>> > > https://home.pandorabots.com/ en/ >>> <https://home.pandorabots.com/en/> <https://home.pandorabots.com/ en/ >>> <https://home.pandorabots.com/en/>> >>> > > >>> > > I think there's work to be done- >>> > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > -- >>> > > > -ericP >>> > > > >>> > > > office: +1.617.599.3509 >>> > > > mobile: +33.6.80.80.35.59 >>> > > > >>> > > > (eric@w3.org <mailto:eric@w3.org>) >>> > > > Feel free to forward this message to any list for any purpose >>> > other than >>> > > > email address distribution. >>> > > > >>> > > > There are subtle nuances encoded in font variation and clever >>> layout >>> > > > which can only be seen by printing this message on high-clay >>> paper. >>> > > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > -- >>> > > *A bit about me <https://about.me/paoladimaio> * >>> > >>> > -- >>> > -ericP >>> > >>> > office: +1.617.599.3509 >>> > mobile: +33.6.80.80.35.59 >>> > >>> > (eric@w3.org <mailto:eric@w3.org>) >>> > Feel free to forward this message to any list for any purpose >>> other than >>> > email address distribution. >>> > >>> > There are subtle nuances encoded in font variation and clever >>> layout >>> > which can only be seen by printing this message on high-clay paper. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > *A bit about me <https://about.me/paoladimaio> * >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> *A bit about me <https://about.me/paoladimaio>* >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> *A bit about me <https://about.me/paoladimaio>* >> >> > -- *A bit about me <https://about.me/paoladimaio>*
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