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Re: Keeping the Faith

From: Sebastian Samaruga <ssamarug@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 5 May 2017 01:02:58 -0300
Message-ID: <CAOLUXBudk8rGT-ua=D3AXRGOBTE21sSjiNuP7Cobo6yZzGAHJA@mail.gmail.com>
To: Jean-Marc Vanel <jeanmarc.vanel@gmail.com>
Cc: Dominic Oldman <doint@oldman.me.uk>, semantic-web@w3.org
>From my beginer point of view:

I think the problem is how one regards SW technologies as (RDF/S, OWL,
SPARQL, Graph oriented databases with quad/triple abstractions in general,
etc.) in respect to existing frameworks / technologies.

If one regards SW as the new Web and its technology stack as the new (for
example) HTML / XML / Java / JavaScript stack, then the problem will be to
try to solve problems that those technologies solved well in the past (and

Including JavaScript (JSON) is a better notation most of the times than
trying to make everything fit into a model (for which there could be
'transformations' to accomplish the same goals).

The 'actual' Web stack is meant for 'humans' for editing and consumption.
HTML was meant for easy edition of markup in any text editor for almost
anyone. Programming / scripting / serialization languages (and the rest of
the actual Web stack) remains in the spirit of being easily 'human
readable' or editable.

That's necessary, of course, because all of us remain almost human. And we
need to edit code and markup. But when one state that SW will be 'the web
for machines' something makes think that maybe it should be regarded a
little bit lower in the technology stack: something like an 'Assembly
language' for the next generation of network applications / architectures
of the Web.

So, there will be no need to be human friendly (nor assembly language is)
because once then one will be building higher level abstractions over the
time which will allow to use editors or other tools (like SW compiled
programming languages) to construct applications which, maybe, will have no
notion of (low level) triples but have those of our business domains.

In fact, what I've tried to do all this time with SW 'form' is to implement
executable model-driven abstractions.

On May 1, 2017 6:01 AM, "Jean-Marc Vanel" <jeanmarc.vanel@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Dominic
> I saw the video (maximum screen resolution should be by default).
> Great application indeed !
> I saw the site
> http://www.researchspace.org/
> but it does not mention the source code.
> Alas that would be of little help to the community if the code code is not
> available.
> 2017-04-30 13:12 GMT+02:00 Dominic Oldman <doint@oldman.me.uk>:
>> Dear Jean-Marc
>> The vision was that knowledge systems from different domains
>> (disciplines) would be transferred to the SW. Currently some domains have
>> adopted SW more than others and these areas are developing useful
>> information relevant to adoption, both from technical perspective and,
>> perhaps now more importantly, a user perspective. I can point to some of
>> the features/components that you talk about in Cultural Heritage/Humanities
>> but which could have wider application.
>> The British Museum (funded by the Andrew W. Mellon Foundation) launches a
>> 100% SW application this summer for use by non-technical subject experts
>> working in the humanities, (some current features at
>> https://youtu.be/TgeJhWhiyrc) underpinned by a strong knowledge
>> representation system, and there are other LOD/SW systems being produced in
>> this community. In producing these system we develop new
>> knowledge/understanding.
>> Dominic
>> orcid.org/0000-0002-5539-3126
>> On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 10:10 AM, Jean-Marc Vanel <
>> jeanmarc.vanel@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Tim's vision is as great as ever,
>>> but all the data silos like FB , G+, LI resist the move to Linked Data,
>>> because this would mean a change in their data based business.
>>> That's the social network side of things, where Solid is laying down
>>> good foundations.
>>> On the side of institutions data (state, museum, etc) LOD is strong.
>>> The weak side of the semantic web is certainly in the software tools.
>>> But this is a domain where progress is possible.
>>> We have quite low level tools like SPARQL databases, parsers, etc. But
>>> we lack a lot of tools that SQL has, like
>>> - data administration
>>> - web frameworks
>>> - ETL
>>> We need for each programming language a SPARQL and LOD based web
>>> framework like there are for SQL: Ruby on Rails, Django, Simfony, Play! ...
>>> This will allow to leverage on the assets of semantic web: reusable
>>> data and data models.
>>> Currently alas the RDF community is like louse eating on the back of SQL
>>> data; we need to build RDF data directly from 100% RDF applications.
>>> Another field where SW and SPARQL databases would shine, given some
>>> attention and tests, is enterprise data;
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_management
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_data_management
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_intelligence
>>> After all, SPARQL databases are graph databases, but standarded by the
>>> W3C, and graph databases are already established in this field.
>>> Hope these hints will cheer up Brant :) .
>>> 2017-04-29 9:06 GMT+02:00 Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com>:
>>>> On 29 April 2017 at 01:11, Brent Shambaugh <brent.shambaugh@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> General Question:
>>>>> How do you keep the faith or vision with respect to semantic web and
>>>>> linked data? I'm also in an area where there is not a lot of venture
>>>>> capital (well some) nor (many) people having a lot of understanding of
>>>>> the area. At least it does not score you a talk. Is the field of
>>>>> dreams mentality of "if you build it, he will come"?
>>>> You have to think about what is possible in the future.
>>>> When television came out, it was not popular.
>>>> Im inspired by this vision:
>>>> “...I have a dream for the Web [in which computers] become capable of
>>>> analyzing all the data on the Web: the content, links, and transactions
>>>> between people and computers. A ‘Semantic Web’, which should make this
>>>> possible, has yet to emerge, but when it does, the day-to-day mechanisms of
>>>> trade, bureaucracy and our daily lives will be handled by machines talking
>>>> to machines. The ‘intelligent agents’ people have touted for ages will
>>>> finally materialize...”
>>>> Tim Berners-Lee
>>>>> -Brent Shambaugh
>>>>> GitHub: https://github.com/bshambaugh
>>>>> Website: http://bshambaugh.org/
>>>>> LinkedIN: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brent-shambaugh-9b91259
>>>>> Skype: brent.shambaugh
>>>>> Twitter: https://twitter.com/Brent_Shambaugh
>>>>> WebID: http://bshambaugh.org/foaf.rdf#me
>>> --
>>> Jean-Marc Vanel
>>> http://www.semantic-forms.cc:9111/display?displayuri=http://
>>> jmvanel.free.fr/jmv.rdf%23me
>>> Déductions SARL - Consulting, services, training,
>>> Rule-based programming, Semantic Web
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> --
> Jean-Marc Vanel
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> Déductions SARL - Consulting, services, training,
> Rule-based programming, Semantic Web
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