Re: Using DCAT for RSS

Hi Cristiano,

thanks for the clarification.
If RSS feed is summary of the site's content with links then I agree with
Phil's proposal to type it as a distribution.

Regards, Marcel

2016-08-18 14:28 GMT+02:00 cristiano longo <cristianolongo@gmail.com>:

> Rss is a summary of the web site. It contains titles, summary and links to
> all the articles of the site. Of course, in generale an rss feed may point
> to contents from differenti sites.
>
> Il 18/ago/2016 02:23 PM, "Marcel Fröhlich" <marcel.frohlich@gmail.com> ha
> scritto:
>
>> Hello Phil,
>>
>> is this really the intention of DCAT to allow a dataset denote something
>> different than the distribution?
>> (assuming RSS feed content != other website content)
>>
>> I never checked DCAT standards docs in detail, but my intuitive
>> understanding is, that different distributions of a dataset should have the
>> intention to cover the same content, just differing regarding format,
>> access method and maybe version or specific restrictions.
>>
>> If a distribution is just "some data content" that is part of a dataset,
>> then we look at a collection of of rather arbitrary objects, which is not
>> what I'd like to be the definition of a dataset.
>>
>> If such a concept were required, I'd rather introduce the notion of a
>> "component" type, to make clear that there is additional structure. Whereas
>> in my opinion dataset vs. distribution should be looked at more like
>> intentional definition vs. extensional definition (
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extensional_and_intensional_definitions).
>>
>> Cheers, Marcel
>>
>> @FroehlichMarcel
>>
>>
>> 2016-08-18 13:22 GMT+02:00 Phil Archer <phila@w3.org>:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 18/08/2016 11:16, cristiano longo wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks Phil. I have two use cases. The former is simpler: i have an rdf
>>>> dataset if events and associated a sparql endpoint, an rss feed and a
>>>> Calendar file. Here it is quite clear that the rdf dataset have to be
>>>> modeled as dcat!:Dataset whereas the sparql endpoint, the rss feed and
>>>> the
>>>> iCal file are distributions of this dataset.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yep.
>>>
>>>  The latter case is more
>>>
>>>> confusing: i have just a website with some articles and an associated
>>>> rss
>>>> feed. I see nothing here that is obviously a dataset (however the
>>>> definition of set of data is really large)
>>>>
>>>
>>> Ah, right. Yes, the definition of a dataset is so broad that a website
>>> counts, and I guess therefore an RSS feed counts as a distribution.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Phil
>>>
>>>
>>>> Il 18/ago/2016 11:27 AM, "Phil Archer" <phila@w3.org> ha scritto:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Cristiano,
>>>>>
>>>>> dcat:Dataset and dcat:Distribution are not disjoint so you can have an
>>>>> RSS
>>>>> feed as an instance of both. But it wouldn't be correct to have a
>>>>> dcat:Dataset that was a collection of RSS feeds and then each of those
>>>>> feeds as a Distribution since the Distribution is a way of accessing
>>>>> the
>>>>> full dataset. You may have an API that allows you to select subsets of
>>>>> the
>>>>> dataset (that's a hot topic for me at the moment) and so your
>>>>> Distribution,
>>>>> which is an API, might well yield a single RSS feed but you'll need to
>>>>> think of it like that.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm confusing myself just writing this but I hope it makes some sense.
>>>>> And, it would be remiss of me, when talking about DCAT, not to point
>>>>> you to
>>>>> the workshop on that topic later this year:
>>>>> https://www.w3.org/2016/11/sds
>>>>> voc/ Your question is very much in scope for that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>
>>>>> Phil.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 17/08/2016 22:01, Cristiano Longo wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi folks, I'm creating a list of intresting RSS feeds. I suppose that
>>>>>> thet can be modeled as DCAT datasets (with RSS as distribution), am I
>>>>>> right?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any suggestion or comment is welcome,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> CL
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Phil Archer
>>>>> W3C Data Activity Lead
>>>>> http://www.w3.org/2013/data/
>>>>>
>>>>> http://philarcher.org
>>>>> +44 (0)7887 767755
>>>>> @philarcher1
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>> Phil Archer
>>> W3C Data Activity Lead
>>> http://www.w3.org/2013/data/
>>>
>>> http://philarcher.org
>>> +44 (0)7887 767755
>>> @philarcher1
>>>
>>>
>>