Re: Using DCAT for RSS

Also, you can spend months or years developing a vocabulary, carefully 
thinking of how you see it being used... and then other people start 
using it and, well, things tend to change ;-) Which is the topic of an 
event in Bologna later this year http://event.cwi.nl/drift-a-lod/2016/ 
(that I'm sorry I can't get to) and, from a process management POV, what 
my Amsterdam event is also about (https://www.w3.org/2016/11/sdsvoc/).

I well remember many years ago DanBri telling me that you can't tell 
people how to use your spec - people will use it as they want to. So if 
it suits Cristiano to describe an RSS feed as a dcat:Distribution of a 
dcat:Dataset that's a website, that's what he'll do. Whether anyone else 
finds that data useful of course is another matter entirely ;-)

Phil.

On 18/08/2016 13:36, Marcel Fröhlich wrote:
> Hi Cristiano,
>
> thanks for the clarification.
> If RSS feed is summary of the site's content with links then I agree with
> Phil's proposal to type it as a distribution.
>
> Regards, Marcel
>
> 2016-08-18 14:28 GMT+02:00 cristiano longo <cristianolongo@gmail.com>:
>
>> Rss is a summary of the web site. It contains titles, summary and links to
>> all the articles of the site. Of course, in generale an rss feed may point
>> to contents from differenti sites.
>>
>> Il 18/ago/2016 02:23 PM, "Marcel Fröhlich" <marcel.frohlich@gmail.com> ha
>> scritto:
>>
>>> Hello Phil,
>>>
>>> is this really the intention of DCAT to allow a dataset denote something
>>> different than the distribution?
>>> (assuming RSS feed content != other website content)
>>>
>>> I never checked DCAT standards docs in detail, but my intuitive
>>> understanding is, that different distributions of a dataset should have the
>>> intention to cover the same content, just differing regarding format,
>>> access method and maybe version or specific restrictions.
>>>
>>> If a distribution is just "some data content" that is part of a dataset,
>>> then we look at a collection of of rather arbitrary objects, which is not
>>> what I'd like to be the definition of a dataset.
>>>
>>> If such a concept were required, I'd rather introduce the notion of a
>>> "component" type, to make clear that there is additional structure. Whereas
>>> in my opinion dataset vs. distribution should be looked at more like
>>> intentional definition vs. extensional definition (
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extensional_and_intensional_definitions).
>>>
>>> Cheers, Marcel
>>>
>>> @FroehlichMarcel
>>>
>>>
>>> 2016-08-18 13:22 GMT+02:00 Phil Archer <phila@w3.org>:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 18/08/2016 11:16, cristiano longo wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Phil. I have two use cases. The former is simpler: i have an rdf
>>>>> dataset if events and associated a sparql endpoint, an rss feed and a
>>>>> Calendar file. Here it is quite clear that the rdf dataset have to be
>>>>> modeled as dcat!:Dataset whereas the sparql endpoint, the rss feed and
>>>>> the
>>>>> iCal file are distributions of this dataset.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yep.
>>>>
>>>>  The latter case is more
>>>>
>>>>> confusing: i have just a website with some articles and an associated
>>>>> rss
>>>>> feed. I see nothing here that is obviously a dataset (however the
>>>>> definition of set of data is really large)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ah, right. Yes, the definition of a dataset is so broad that a website
>>>> counts, and I guess therefore an RSS feed counts as a distribution.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>>
>>>> Phil
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Il 18/ago/2016 11:27 AM, "Phil Archer" <phila@w3.org> ha scritto:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Cristiano,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> dcat:Dataset and dcat:Distribution are not disjoint so you can have an
>>>>>> RSS
>>>>>> feed as an instance of both. But it wouldn't be correct to have a
>>>>>> dcat:Dataset that was a collection of RSS feeds and then each of those
>>>>>> feeds as a Distribution since the Distribution is a way of accessing
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> full dataset. You may have an API that allows you to select subsets of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> dataset (that's a hot topic for me at the moment) and so your
>>>>>> Distribution,
>>>>>> which is an API, might well yield a single RSS feed but you'll need to
>>>>>> think of it like that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm confusing myself just writing this but I hope it makes some sense.
>>>>>> And, it would be remiss of me, when talking about DCAT, not to point
>>>>>> you to
>>>>>> the workshop on that topic later this year:
>>>>>> https://www.w3.org/2016/11/sds
>>>>>> voc/ Your question is very much in scope for that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Phil.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 17/08/2016 22:01, Cristiano Longo wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi folks, I'm creating a list of intresting RSS feeds. I suppose that
>>>>>>> thet can be modeled as DCAT datasets (with RSS as distribution), am I
>>>>>>> right?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Any suggestion or comment is welcome,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> CL
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Phil Archer
>>>>>> W3C Data Activity Lead
>>>>>> http://www.w3.org/2013/data/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://philarcher.org
>>>>>> +44 (0)7887 767755
>>>>>> @philarcher1
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Phil Archer
>>>> W3C Data Activity Lead
>>>> http://www.w3.org/2013/data/
>>>>
>>>> http://philarcher.org
>>>> +44 (0)7887 767755
>>>> @philarcher1
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>

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