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Re: Help needed: *brief* online poll about blank-nodes

From: Danny Ayers <danny.ayers@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 01:07:47 +0200
Message-ID: <BANLkTimbB3APPLVAH5ATrPuFu=SCMcPsrA@mail.gmail.com>
To: "Hogan, Aidan" <aidan.hogan@deri.org>
Cc: semantic-web@w3.org, Alejandro Mallea <janoma@gmail.com>
The one thing I don't really understand -

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On 19 June 2011 00:50, Hogan, Aidan <aidan.hogan@deri.org> wrote:
> Hi Danny,
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Danny Ayers [mailto:danny.ayers@gmail.com]
>> Sent: 18 June 2011 23:21
>>
>> <:John> <:telephone> _:b1 and <:John> <:telephone> _:b2.
>>
>> correct me if I'm wrong, but couldn't it also be
>>
>> _:b1 :number "123" .
>> _:b2 :number "123" .
>
> ...suffice it to say:
>
> :yourQuestion :hasAnswer _:answer1 .
> :yourQuestion :hasAnswer _:answer2 .
>
> Regards,
> Aidan
>
>>
>> On 18 June 2011 20:56, Hogan, Aidan <aidan.hogan@deri.org> wrote:
>> > Thanks to everybody who has participated in the poll so far.
>> >
>> > We would again prefer people who have not answered the poll (but who
>> > intend to) to please fill it in *before* reading on.
>> >
>> >        Link to Poll: http://db.ing.puc.cl/amallea/blank-nodes-poll
>> >
>> > Thanks!
>> >
>> > ...
>> >
>> > David, Jonathan,
>> >
>> > We thank you for your feedback, but we explicitly requested that the
>> > email was not to be replied to on-list:
>> >
>> >        """to avoid influencing responses, we would strongly prefer if
>> > this email is not replied to on-list. If you want to leave feedback,
>> > please do so in the space provided in the poll, or reply directly to
>> > Alejandro (CC'ed on this mail) and Aidan"."""
>> >
>> > This was a simple request.
>> >
>> > Of course, it's a public mailing list, and you're free to respond if you
>> > feel the need. Again however, we would *strongly prefer* if feedback is
>> > given in the space provided or emailed directly to us off-list.
>> >
>> > We are now in a difficult position. Since the concerns have been made
>> > on-list, we now feel that we need to address them, in kind, on-list:
>> >
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Jonathan Rees [mailto:jar@creativecommons.org]
>> >> Sent: 18 June 2011 02:59
>> >>
>> >> Your set of answers for question 1 does not include the one specified
>> >> by RDF semantics.
>> >>
>> >> Namely, that John has a telephone number (which we may or may not
>> > know).
>> >>
>> >> So, if one's wishes and intent are to follow the recommendation (whose
>> >> purpose, of course, is to enable mutual intelligibility), there is no
>> >> way to answer.
>> >>
>> >
>> > @Jonathan, you are of course correct in terms of how blank-nodes should
>> > be interpreted according to RDF Semantics. But, that's explicitly what
>> > the poll is *not* asking about. At the top of the poll (and in the
>> > original email), we state:
>> >
>> >        """Note that the poll is trying to determine what you intend
>> > when you publish blank nodes. It is not a quiz on RDF Semantics. There
>> > is no correct answer."""
>> >
>> > Your proposed option:
>> >
>> >        "John has a telephone number (which we may or may not know)"
>> >
>> > is, of course, formally correct in terms of *interpretation* when
>> > consuming the data, but is not meaningful as an *intent* when
>> > publishing. In reality, publishers do not say to themselves "I may or
>> > may not know the value of X, therefore I shall publish this as a
>> > blank-node".
>> >
>> > Purely in terms of concrete publishing *intent*, we firmly believe that
>> > for our question, our option:
>> >
>> >        "John has a telephone number, but we don't know the number."
>> >
>> > makes more sense, speaking directly to the question we want answered.
>> > You may or may not agree, but please try to see this from our point of
>> > view.
>> >
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: David Booth [mailto:david@dbooth.org]
>> >> Sent: 18 June 2011 03:46
>> >>
>> >> And, quite annoyingly: (a) the server refuses to show the poll again
>> > if
>> >> it thinks you have already submitted an answer; and (b) it seems to
>> >> think that everyone in the same local area network is the same person!
>> >>
>> >> David
>> >
>> > @David, apologies. The poll is based on Drupal and filters multiple
>> > responses based on IP addresses. We'll look into making the poll
>> > viewable to people who have already responded (thanks for doing so). As
>> > for the LAN issue, we're not sure if we can do anything there.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Aidan and Alejandro
>> >
>> > [1] http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/d/donaldrums148142.html
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> http://danny.ayers.name
>



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