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RE: Help needed: *brief* online poll about blank-nodes

From: Hogan, Aidan <aidan.hogan@deri.org>
Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 23:50:31 +0100
Message-ID: <316ADBDBFE4F4D4AA4FEEF7496ECAEF906105E6F@EVS1.ac.nuigalway.ie>
To: "Danny Ayers" <danny.ayers@gmail.com>
Cc: <semantic-web@w3.org>, "Alejandro Mallea" <janoma@gmail.com>
Hi Danny,

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Danny Ayers [mailto:danny.ayers@gmail.com]
> Sent: 18 June 2011 23:21
>
> <:John> <:telephone> _:b1 and <:John> <:telephone> _:b2.
> 
> correct me if I'm wrong, but couldn't it also be
> 
> _:b1 :number "123" .
> _:b2 :number "123" .

...suffice it to say:

:yourQuestion :hasAnswer _:answer1 .
:yourQuestion :hasAnswer _:answer2 .

Regards,
Aidan

> 
> On 18 June 2011 20:56, Hogan, Aidan <aidan.hogan@deri.org> wrote:
> > Thanks to everybody who has participated in the poll so far.
> >
> > We would again prefer people who have not answered the poll (but who
> > intend to) to please fill it in *before* reading on.
> >
> >        Link to Poll: http://db.ing.puc.cl/amallea/blank-nodes-poll
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > ...
> >
> > David, Jonathan,
> >
> > We thank you for your feedback, but we explicitly requested that the
> > email was not to be replied to on-list:
> >
> >        """to avoid influencing responses, we would strongly prefer if
> > this email is not replied to on-list. If you want to leave feedback,
> > please do so in the space provided in the poll, or reply directly to
> > Alejandro (CC'ed on this mail) and Aidan"."""
> >
> > This was a simple request.
> >
> > Of course, it's a public mailing list, and you're free to respond if you
> > feel the need. Again however, we would *strongly prefer* if feedback is
> > given in the space provided or emailed directly to us off-list.
> >
> > We are now in a difficult position. Since the concerns have been made
> > on-list, we now feel that we need to address them, in kind, on-list:
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Jonathan Rees [mailto:jar@creativecommons.org]
> >> Sent: 18 June 2011 02:59
> >>
> >> Your set of answers for question 1 does not include the one specified
> >> by RDF semantics.
> >>
> >> Namely, that John has a telephone number (which we may or may not
> > know).
> >>
> >> So, if one's wishes and intent are to follow the recommendation (whose
> >> purpose, of course, is to enable mutual intelligibility), there is no
> >> way to answer.
> >>
> >
> > @Jonathan, you are of course correct in terms of how blank-nodes should
> > be interpreted according to RDF Semantics. But, that's explicitly what
> > the poll is *not* asking about. At the top of the poll (and in the
> > original email), we state:
> >
> >        """Note that the poll is trying to determine what you intend
> > when you publish blank nodes. It is not a quiz on RDF Semantics. There
> > is no correct answer."""
> >
> > Your proposed option:
> >
> >        "John has a telephone number (which we may or may not know)"
> >
> > is, of course, formally correct in terms of *interpretation* when
> > consuming the data, but is not meaningful as an *intent* when
> > publishing. In reality, publishers do not say to themselves "I may or
> > may not know the value of X, therefore I shall publish this as a
> > blank-node".
> >
> > Purely in terms of concrete publishing *intent*, we firmly believe that
> > for our question, our option:
> >
> >        "John has a telephone number, but we don't know the number."
> >
> > makes more sense, speaking directly to the question we want answered.
> > You may or may not agree, but please try to see this from our point of
> > view.
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: David Booth [mailto:david@dbooth.org]
> >> Sent: 18 June 2011 03:46
> >>
> >> And, quite annoyingly: (a) the server refuses to show the poll again
> > if
> >> it thinks you have already submitted an answer; and (b) it seems to
> >> think that everyone in the same local area network is the same person!
> >>
> >> David
> >
> > @David, apologies. The poll is based on Drupal and filters multiple
> > responses based on IP addresses. We'll look into making the poll
> > viewable to people who have already responded (thanks for doing so). As
> > for the LAN issue, we're not sure if we can do anything there.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Aidan and Alejandro
> >
> > [1] http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/d/donaldrums148142.html
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> --
> http://danny.ayers.name
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