Re: Help needed: *brief* online poll about blank-nodes

<:John> <:telephone> _:b1 and <:John> <:telephone> _:b2.

correct me if I'm wrong, but couldn't it also be

_:b1 :number "123" .
_:b2 :number "123" .


On 18 June 2011 20:56, Hogan, Aidan <aidan.hogan@deri.org> wrote:
> Thanks to everybody who has participated in the poll so far.
>
> We would again prefer people who have not answered the poll (but who
> intend to) to please fill it in *before* reading on.
>
>        Link to Poll: http://db.ing.puc.cl/amallea/blank-nodes-poll
>
> Thanks!
>
> ...
>
> David, Jonathan,
>
> We thank you for your feedback, but we explicitly requested that the
> email was not to be replied to on-list:
>
>        """to avoid influencing responses, we would strongly prefer if
> this email is not replied to on-list. If you want to leave feedback,
> please do so in the space provided in the poll, or reply directly to
> Alejandro (CC'ed on this mail) and Aidan"."""
>
> This was a simple request.
>
> Of course, it's a public mailing list, and you're free to respond if you
> feel the need. Again however, we would *strongly prefer* if feedback is
> given in the space provided or emailed directly to us off-list.
>
> We are now in a difficult position. Since the concerns have been made
> on-list, we now feel that we need to address them, in kind, on-list:
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jonathan Rees [mailto:jar@creativecommons.org]
>> Sent: 18 June 2011 02:59
>>
>> Your set of answers for question 1 does not include the one specified
>> by RDF semantics.
>>
>> Namely, that John has a telephone number (which we may or may not
> know).
>>
>> So, if one's wishes and intent are to follow the recommendation (whose
>> purpose, of course, is to enable mutual intelligibility), there is no
>> way to answer.
>>
>
> @Jonathan, you are of course correct in terms of how blank-nodes should
> be interpreted according to RDF Semantics. But, that's explicitly what
> the poll is *not* asking about. At the top of the poll (and in the
> original email), we state:
>
>        """Note that the poll is trying to determine what you intend
> when you publish blank nodes. It is not a quiz on RDF Semantics. There
> is no correct answer."""
>
> Your proposed option:
>
>        "John has a telephone number (which we may or may not know)"
>
> is, of course, formally correct in terms of *interpretation* when
> consuming the data, but is not meaningful as an *intent* when
> publishing. In reality, publishers do not say to themselves "I may or
> may not know the value of X, therefore I shall publish this as a
> blank-node".
>
> Purely in terms of concrete publishing *intent*, we firmly believe that
> for our question, our option:
>
>        "John has a telephone number, but we don't know the number."
>
> makes more sense, speaking directly to the question we want answered.
> You may or may not agree, but please try to see this from our point of
> view.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: David Booth [mailto:david@dbooth.org]
>> Sent: 18 June 2011 03:46
>>
>> And, quite annoyingly: (a) the server refuses to show the poll again
> if
>> it thinks you have already submitted an answer; and (b) it seems to
>> think that everyone in the same local area network is the same person!
>>
>> David
>
> @David, apologies. The poll is based on Drupal and filters multiple
> responses based on IP addresses. We'll look into making the poll
> viewable to people who have already responded (thanks for doing so). As
> for the LAN issue, we're not sure if we can do anything there.
>
> Cheers,
> Aidan and Alejandro
>
> [1] http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/d/donaldrums148142.html
>
>
>



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