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RE: using SKOS for controlled values for controlled vocabulary

From: Pavithra <pavithra_kenjige@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 17:11:50 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <653863.10438.qm@web38303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
To: William Waites <ww@styx.org>, KenLaskey <klaskey@mitre.org>
Cc: "semantic-web@w3.org" <semantic-web@w3.org>, "John F. Sowa" <sowa@bestweb.net>, "ontolog-forum@ontolog.cim3.net" <ontolog-forum@ontolog.cim3.net>
Ken
>I saw the Collection text and my initial thought was to use the 
collection as a constraint.  >While the milk example in the primer makes 
sense for broader/narrower, I didn't feel that >really caught the idea of
 color values because red doesn't seem like a true narrowing of >the 
color concept.

 I believe the reference to  broader/ narrower term here means generic / specific ... 
 where "color" is the generic term,  and actual value "red" is the specific term.   To me that makes perfect sense.    ( but then I am a math / sciences / computer science person, and I am programmed to think that way..) 

And about your statement:
  You do not seem to think color red falls into narrower  concept ????  
 ???????????????????????????  I do not pretend to understand that statement. 
If you are being philosophical...  I guess, we can contemplate on that..   ( why is red not a color is my question.. ?? if it is not a color, what is it?? ) 

But then, you seemed to have resolved or found a solution to your original question.  So I guess this topic is closed. 

Pavithra     

--- On Sat, 10/9/10, Laskey, Ken <klaskey@mitre.org> wrote:

From: Laskey, Ken <klaskey@mitre.org>
Subject: RE: using SKOS for controlled values for controlled vocabulary
To: "Pavithra" <pavithra_kenjige@yahoo.com>, "William Waites" <ww@styx.org>
Cc: "semantic-web@w3.org" <semantic-web@w3.org>, "John F. Sowa" <sowa@bestweb.net>, "ontolog-forum@ontolog.cim3.net" <ontolog-forum@ontolog.cim3.net>
Date: Saturday, October 9, 2010, 5:59 PM

Pavithra,

I read the SKOS Primer but I wasn't impressed with the approach because altLabel doesn't really capture either the subclass or value nature.  Also, the primer goes on to say that upward posting is not recommended.

I saw the Collection text and my initial thought was to use the collection as a constraint.  While the milk example in the primer makes sense for broader/narrower, I didn't feel that really caught the idea of color values because red doesn't seem like a true narrowing of the color concept.

If I can say xx:color rdfs:range yy:colorList, where color is a SKOS Concept and colorList is a SKOS Collection, then I think I've got what I want.

Ken

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From: Pavithra [pavithra_kenjige@yahoo.com]
Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 5:14 PM
To: Laskey, Ken; William Waites
Cc: semantic-web@w3.org; John F. Sowa; ontolog-forum@ontolog.cim3.net
Subject: Re: using SKOS for controlled values for controlled vocabulary

Ken

There is the concept / usage  of "Collections" and "Ordered Collection" and "Semantic Relations" and "Semantic Display" in that document that can be used similarly..

Pavithra
Semantic Relations and Systematic Displays

--- On Sat, 10/9/10, Pavithra <pavithra_kenjige@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Pavithra <pavithra_kenjige@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: using SKOS for controlled values for controlled vocabulary
To: "KenLaskey" <klaskey@mitre.org>, "William Waites" <ww@styx.org>
Cc: "semantic-web@w3.org" <semantic-web@w3.org>, "John F. Sowa" <sowa@bestweb.net>, ontolog-forum@ontolog.cim3.net
Date: Saturday, October 9, 2010, 4:40 PM

[ Since the same topic is being discussed in semantic web and ontolog thread, I have included both]

Ken,

Seems to me that there are examples in the following link about usage of "altLabels" that specifies list of  values of a SKOS concept..

[  Reference:
http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/NOTE-skos-primer-20090818/ ]

Here is the example about concept " rock" and list of values as basalt, granite, and slate.  This is similar to concept color,  and list of values  as red, yellow and blue.   Here is the usage of it..

It is also possible to use skos:altLabel to represent cases of upward posting [ISO-2788<http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/NOTE-skos-primer-20090818/#ISO2788>]. That is, when a concept aggregates more-specialized notions that are not explicitly introduced as concepts in the considered KOS:

ex:rocks rdf:type skos:Concept;
  skos:prefLabel "rocks"@en;
  skos:altLabel "basalt"@en;
  skos:altLabel "granite"@en;
  skos:altLabel "slate"@en



Thanks,
Pavithra



--- On Sat, 10/9/10, William Waites <ww@styx.org> wrote:

From: William Waites <ww@styx.org>
Subject: Re: using SKOS for controlled values for controlled vocabulary
To: "Laskey, Ken" <klaskey@mitre.org>
Cc: "semantic-web@w3.org" <semantic-web@w3.org>
Date: Saturday, October 9, 2010, 3:12 PM

On 10-10-09 18:09, Laskey, Ken wrote:
>
> What I am missing is how to say a given description
> element in one controlled vocabulary, e.g. a SKOS Concept
> Scheme, can be constrained to a list of values, e.g. a
> SKOS Collection.  I was considering rdfs:range but I’m not
> sure that is applicable.

What about making a subclass of skos:Concept for the
concepts in your controlled vocabulary and then making
rdfs:range be that subclass? You wouldn't have to use
skos:Collection at all.

So,

  eg:Colour rdfs:subClassOf skos:Concept .
  eg:colour a owl:ObjectProperty ;
      rdfs:range eg:Colour .

  eg:red a eg:Colour ;
      skos:notation "red" .
  eg:green a eg:Colour ;
      skos:notation "green" .
  eg:blue a eg:Colour ;
      skos:notation "blue" .

Cheers,
-w
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