- From: Pat Hayes <phayes@ihmc.us>
- Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 14:29:18 -0600
- To: Steve Harris <steve.harris@garlik.com>
- Cc: Dan Brickley <danbri@danbri.org>, Danny Ayers <danny.ayers@gmail.com>, Semantic Web <semantic-web@w3.org>
On Jan 14, 2010, at 1:10 PM, Steve Harris wrote:
> On 14 Jan 2010, at 17:31, Dan Brickley wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Pat Hayes <phayes@ihmc.us> wrote:
>>> A lot, perhaps all, of this hair could be avoided if RDF allowed
>>> general
>>> tuples as well as triples. All that is needed is some way to put N
>>> things
>>> into a sequence: so, put N things into a sequence. The 'graph
>>> model' would
>>> be a hyperlink, drawn as a polygon (eg triangle for N=3) rather
>>> than a line.
>>> In triples-style syntax, it would just be moving a dot.
>>
>> I periodically wonder what an RDF without the binary restriction
>> would
>> look like.
>>
>> Would each property/relation have a fixed arity, eg. dc:source might
>> 'be a 4', 'foaf:knows' a 7? That doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
>> So
>> presumably they'd vary freely. In which case, we have a lot of
>> figuring out to do when wondering whether livesWith(alice, bob,
>> 2007, 'y') implies livesWith(alice,bob) or livesWith(alice, bob, 'y',
>> 'foo.html'). The binary straightjacket makes some of these questions
>> impossible, albeit maddeningly...
>
> I was thinking something more like a new literal type, which was a
> list/vector/sequence/whatever-you-want-to-call-it.
>
> So, it would still bind in a query:
>
> [using the old list syntax for the sake of an example]
> <a> <b> (1 2 3) .
>
> SELECT ?z
> WHERE {
> <a> <b> ?z .
> }
>
> and the return value would be a list "literal".
But are these necessarily literal values. then? I don' t think that
would be enough.
I wonder about query binding, I think it would be more use to allow
item binding, with a wildcard pattern variable extending SPARQL. We
followed this idea in Common Logic and it is very slick. So for example
:a :P ?x .
matches
:a :P :foo .
with ?x/foo, but does NOT match
:a :P :foo :baz .
However, :a :P ??x . (choose your own syntax: CL uses ...x) matches
both of them with ??x bound to (:foo) (not :foo, note: the list, not
its atom) in the first case and (:foo :baz) in the second. This lets a
query bind an arbitrarily long tail but also allows queries to
micromanage things inside argument sequences when required. Some care
is required to ensure a unique match, but its workable and very
convenient.
Pat
>
> - Steve
>
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