- From: Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>
- Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 16:38:56 -0400
- To: adasal <adam.saltiel@gmail.com>
- CC: kkw@mit.edu, Danny Ayers <danny.ayers@gmail.com>, greg masley <roxymuzick@yahoo.com>, Semantic Web <semantic-web@w3.org>, "dbpedia-discussion@lists.sourceforge.net" <dbpedia-discussion@lists.sourceforge.net>
adasal wrote: > People are categorising and linking all the time. e.g. twitter, > another recent thread on this list, delicious and so on. > What do you mean by 'ask for a link'? Make a Linked Data SOS call, in some form: plain English (or other language) mail, tweet etc., a URL to nothing (i.e., I would someday like to access Structured Data from here), whatever. Key thing is making a request for the structured data you couldn't find or the query that you would like answered (as you did re. Tomatoes). > Place what they have done into linked data format and ... ? > But there is an obvious problem of the existing data that needs to be > scraped and converted, which I think would be the shortest path to > linked data on tomato growing. The process of discovering, scraping, and transforming is getting more automated by the second in a myriad of ways. Here is an old animation showing how the process of Sponging works re. Generation of RDF based Linked Data from existing Web accessible resources [1]. > For instance a search for tomato filtered by seed and gardening return > 191 results on delicious. And you can pass that through URIBurner [2][3] and start the process of exploring a progressively constructed Linked Data graph via the Descriptor Documents it generates from the Del.icio.us links. > > How good is the data this returns? Depends, Data is not only like Electricity, it carries the Subjectivity factory of Beauty :-) > We don't know, maybe it would be better to just use a search engine, > which is back to square one. Of course not, what you need is Search++ (Precision Find across progressively assembled structured linked data meshes) [4] . > Supposing that the data is good, that is well categorised, and that > there is some way to manipulate the data through the api to hone it to > what is required, tomato seed growing in a particular region in Italy > is the suggestion that this query be saved somewhere as linked data? Take a look at my collection of saved query results and queries (the URLs are hackable). > Ideally that query should be able to be run against DBPedia > interchangeably. If it stumbles across the DBpedia Data Space on the way, naturally [5]. > I guess there will be a meeting in the middle. Always. Links: 1. http://bit.ly/6XZy2Q -- Animation showing how transformation middleware will contribute to the burgeoning Web of Linked Data (first version of this animation was shown in 2007) 2. http://uriburner.com -- a service that generates structured descriptor documents for existing Web resources (e.g. Web Pages) 3. http://ode.openlinksw.com -- a browser ext. or bookmarklet that connects you to the public URIBurner instance (which is just a Virtuoso Sponger Middleware instance) or your own instance (wherever that may be including your private network or desktop etc.) 4. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkzghnkuOzA -- example of Precision Find that leverages the burgeoning Web of Linked Data (basically query over a LOD Cloud Cache instance that grows progressively courtesy of public use of items #2 and #3 above + services like PingTheSemanticWeb and Sindice and other sources) 5. http://bit.ly/aEUdUV -- examples of how the Sponger Middleware is incorporated into Virtuoso's SPARQL processor via some tutorials (somewhat technical) 6. http://www4.wiwiss.fu-berlin.de/bizer/ng4j/semwebclient/ -- Semantic Web Client another example of the kind of crawling I referred to above within the context of a query that delivers "Find" functionality . Kingsley > > Adam > > On 19 April 2010 17:31, Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com > <mailto:kidehen@openlinksw.com>> wrote: > > kkw@MIT.EDU <mailto:kkw@MIT.EDU> wrote: > > Quoting Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com > <mailto:kidehen@openlinksw.com>>: > > Danny Ayers wrote: > > Thanks Kingsley > > still not automatic though, is it? > > Is it "Automatic or Nothing?" . > > What's mechanical to Person A might be automatic to Person > B, both are individual operating with individual context > lenses (world views and skill sets). > > What I can say is this: we can innovate around the Outer > Join i.e., not finding what you seek triggers a quest for > missing data discovery and/or generation. Now, that's > something the Web as a discourse medium can actually > facilitate, once people grok the process of adding > Structured Data to the Web etc.. > > > Kingsley > > > Hmmm...Has anyone thought about some sort of LinkIt service where > non-programmers could identify things they're linking manually > and ask for a > link? > > > We are gradually moving to things like this under the general > banner of Annotations and Data Syncs. > > Ironically, its 2010 and still don't even have DDE (a 1980's > technology) re. data change notification and subscription etc.. > > Anyway, these things are coming, pubsubhubbub applied to linked > data, annotations (simply UIs for 3-Tuple conversations) etc.. > > > > Would that open the door for identifying those that could be > auto-generated and those that could build social pressure for > SemWeb > annotations and data owner participation? -k > > > I call this Data Spaces and Data Driven Discourse, its all coming :-) > > > BTW - Twitter may also help accelerate comprehension and > appreciation of what you seek. Many sources of solutions are > taking shape etc.. > > Very good point, by the way! > > > Kingsley > > > > > On 18 April 2010 22:38, Kingsley Idehen > <kidehen@openlinksw.com > <mailto:kidehen@openlinksw.com>> wrote: > > Danny Ayers wrote: > > Kingsley, how do I find out when to plant > tomatos here? > > > And you find the answer to that in Wikipedia via > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomato>? Of course not. > > Re. DBpedia, if you have a Agriculture oriented > data spaces (ontology and > instance data) that references DBpedia (via > linkbase) then you will have a > better chance of an answer since we would have > temporal properties and > associated values in the Linked Data Space (one > that we can mesh with > DBpedia even via SPARQL). > > Kingsley > > On 17 April 2010 19:36, Kingsley Idehen > <kidehen@openlinksw.com > <mailto:kidehen@openlinksw.com>> wrote: > > > Danny Ayers wrote: > > > On 16 April 2010 19:29, greg masley > <roxymuzick@yahoo.com > <mailto:roxymuzick@yahoo.com>> wrote: > > > > What I want to know is does > anybody have a method yet to > successfully > extract data from Wikipedia using > dbpedia? If so please email the > procedure > to greg@masleyassociates.com > <mailto:greg@masleyassociates.com> > > > > That is an easy one, the URIs are > similar - you can get the pointer > from db and get into wikipedia. Then > you do your stuff. > > I'll let Kingsley explain. > > > > > Greg, > > Please add some clarity to your quest. > > DBpedia the project is comprised of: > > 1. Extractors for converting Wikipedia > content into Structured Data > represented in a variety of RDF based data > representation formats > 2. Live instance with the extracts from #1 > loaded into a DBMS that > exposes a > SPARQL endpoint (which lets you query over > the wire using SPARQL query > language). > > There is a little more, but I need > additional clarification from you. > > > -- > > Regards, > > Kingsley Idehen President & CEO > OpenLink Software Web: > http://www.openlinksw.com > Weblog: > http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen > <http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/%7Ekidehen> > Twitter/Identi.ca: kidehen > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Regards, > > Kingsley Idehen President & CEO OpenLink > Software Web: > http://www.openlinksw.com > Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen > <http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/%7Ekidehen> > Twitter/Identi.ca: kidehen > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Regards, > > Kingsley Idehen President & CEO OpenLink Software > Web: http://www.openlinksw.com > Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen > <http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/%7Ekidehen> > Twitter/Identi.ca: kidehen > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Regards, > > Kingsley Idehen President & CEO OpenLink Software Web: > http://www.openlinksw.com > Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen > <http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/%7Ekidehen> > Twitter/Identi.ca: kidehen > > > > > > -- Regards, Kingsley Idehen President & CEO OpenLink Software Web: http://www.openlinksw.com Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen Twitter/Identi.ca: kidehen
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