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Re: call to arms

From: Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 13:59:32 +0200
Message-ID: <m2r9178f78c1004010459wdf6ba411pe77e17276dbf5969@mail.gmail.com>
To: Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>
Cc: Ian Davis <me@iandavis.com>, Karl Dubost <karl+w3c@la-grange.net>, Danny Ayers <danny.ayers@gmail.com>, Semantic Web <semantic-web@w3.org>
2010/4/1 Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>

> Additionally to Nodalities...
> A fairly long time ago we started a collection of SW Use Cases and Case
> Studies at W3C:
> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/sweo/public/UseCases/

Hadn't seen this before, a great list.

I think with the various use cases the implicit question posed is, 'when
will the sem web reach it's maximum potential?'

I have a more basic and explicit question, '*when will the sem web reach
it's minimum potential*?'

As a relative newcomer perhaps I have a different perspective, but what I
understand is that the semantic web is a fundamentally standard for marking
up and exchanging semantic data in files according to web standards.

I would say the entry level requirement to the semantic web is to
1) put a file on the web and allow it to be read by using the semantic web,
2) allow it to be updated (sparql 1.1)
3) why not host it on your desktop, so that you can quickly and easily
collaborate with your friends, send messages, share media etc.
4) (optional) if you want to add authentication / access control (the
easiest way, and it is easy, is foaf+ssl)

How many people on this list actually do that?

I see this as bread and butter, "follow your nose", standards adherence.
There are some notable exceptions, but I've not seen many people get past
(1) in the list.

Yesterday I hooked my desktop up with a friend and I can send him arbitrary
data rich messages via a datawiki.  Now I can send sparql updates to his
desktop with rich semantic meaning.  For example I can send.

<#me> <#reccomendsMusicTrack> <path-to-file>

to stream him music (i've intetionally used a 'toy' vocab here to get up and
running immediately)

<#webmail123> <#subject> 'hi' ; <#body> 'long time no speak.  how are you? ;
<#timestamp> '20100401Z' ; <#sender> <#me>

and we have an email system

etc. etc.

It's not a crazy experiment of an april fool, it's simply following the
basic standards proposed by the W3C.

I think this is really the 'call to arms'.

Why aren't we doing this and seeing what use cases we solve, but more
importantly, what use cases solve themselves?

> the goal was to collect real SW deployment examples in industry and
> academia (ie, not reports on university projects). It is not perfect, it is
> not complete, but it is a start. W3C decided _not_ to 'edit' those entries
> but, with minor modifications, take what is out there which also explains
> the different style and, frankly, quality of the submissions.
> It is true that, in the last year, the number of submissions slowed down
> which may be my fault; I do chase applications but it is difficult to get
> people do the extra mile to write things down and sometimes I give up. But
> improving, enriching, etc, this collection would be good and any help would
> be greatly welcome....
> Ivan
> On Apr 1, 2010, at 03:25 , Ian Davis wrote:
> > On Tuesday, March 30, 2010, Karl Dubost <karl+w3c@la-grange.net<karl%2Bw3c@la-grange.net>>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Danny has been one of the most convincing evangelist for years. We need
> more.
> >> ACTION: Tell a story to people.
> >>
> >
> > We (Talis) are doing this with Nodalities magazine, blogs and
> > podcasts, reaching out beyond the technologists. If you have stories
> > we want to help you get them known - free distribution for your ideas,
> > software, products, services or whatever. The only cost is the time it
> > takes you to write a couple of pages or to chat to us over skype. Just
> > email us at nodalities-magazine@talis.com
> >
> > Remember no-one on this mailing list is a target for evangelism: we're
> > all convinced already! None of us are really target users for this
> > stuff either because we're much more interested in the architecture
> > and technology. We need to share stories and evangelise much wider to
> > the people who decide what technologies their organisations should
> > invest in.
> >
> > Ian
> >
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