Re: Fwd: Dojinshi & Accessibility was: A new Semantic Web logo?

Hi Doug,

You are right with the silly humans:-): Adding a title and a desc is
indeed another (and simpler) solution. Indeed, adding both is even better.

However... Sorry to disappoint again with the Mozilla implementation,
but it seems that your hack does not work either:-( I attach the screen
dump of my Mozilla window. What does seem to work, however, is to set
the text to visibility="hidden", instead of playing with the opacity
value...

Thanks

Ivan

Doug Schepers wrote:
> Hi, Guys-
> 
> Jonathan asked me to weigh in here.
> 
> ~:'' ありがとうございました。 wrote (on 10/13/2007 2:30 AM):
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>> Resent-From: semantic-web@w3.org
>> From: Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>
>>
>> Dear Jonathan,
>>
>> let me give some backgroun explanation and propose a solution to see if
>> that would work with you.
>>
>> It is true that, in an ideal world, SVG should include texts as, well,
>> texts, and not in geometry. And the specification of SVG allows that. It
>> is also possible to add a description of a font (or the characters that
>> are used from a font) into the SVG file itself to ensure a proper
>> rendering on all environment, independently of the fonts being stored
>> locally.
> 
> Indeed.
> 
> 
>> The very practical problem, however, is that a number of SVG players
>> (eg, Mozilla) do not understand (yet, hopefully!) those text statements
>> with font descriptions. In order to have the logo displayed properly, we
>> had to go  back to the original design, do a version that turned the
>> characters into geometry, and export that into SVG.
> 
> A real-world problem.  FWIW, I think that in the next-next release of
> both Firefox and Safari, they will have partial support for SVG
> Fonts.... maybe a year, year-and-a-half way, hopefully.
> 
> In the meantime...
> 
> 
>> However: what I would propose to do is to add RDF metadata into the SVG
>> file (this is perfectly possible, too) that would include dc terms
>> including a description containing the text of the logo (plus, eg,
>> copyright info). Is this agreeable to you? This is something that could
>> be done within a few days (alas, it should be done individually in a
>> text editor:-)
> 
> Silly humans with their big brains.  Please find attached a moderately
> workable solution to the problem of a lack of SVG Font support.  Simply
> add in the Real Text, with a suitable-enough font to match the size and
> style of the logo, positioned more-or-less correctly, and set the
> opacity to zero.  Nothing shows to mar the nice rendering, but it has
> the text content, and it makes the faux-text seemingly selectable
> in-place and findable (and indexable).  This doesn't work well for
> dynamic content, but it's fine for static graphics.
> 
> I also added a <title> and a <desc> element with some suggested text.
> 
> This is not to diminish the inclusion of RDF, particularly with
> copyright info, etc.... but that's for a different purpose, I feel. Text
> intended to be human-readable (that is, rendered) in SVG should always
> be included using one of the text-content elements (<text>, <tspan>,
> <tref>, <textPath>, and <textArea>).
> 
> I'd like to see this done with all W3C logos, and I'm willing to put
> some cycles to it.
> 
> Regards-
> -Doug Schepers
> W3C Staff Contact, SVG, CDF, and WebAPI

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