Re: The Object Oriented Web

I agree with your analysis Renato, though I am as excited as Manuel is 
about thinking the web in ways we havenīt done so before. The best 
conclusion I can offer is that while most humans are not really concious 
of the rules of their learnt languages, but barely aware of it (instinct 
helps there), machines still need to know these rules from a to z to be 
able to work / communicate with other machines.

We still have a long way to go to get to that place where 
"Omnius"(Herbert's Dune Prequel Series) is possible.


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Renato Golin wrote:
> Manuel Vila wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> I would be very happy to get some feedback about the concept of "Object
>> Oriented Web" as I just outlined here:
>> Feel free to send your comments either here or on my blog.
> Hi Manuel,
> Once I felt very close to what you say in your post, but than reading
> the many high-quality posts in this mailing list I've changed completely
> my opinion about it.
> Although Andreas got a bit too deterministic in his reply he shares the
> thoughts of many (not me) and it was by understanding their POV I've
> changed my mind from something surrealistically simplistic as you state
> in your post to something more feasible.
> First, I do believe that machines can talk to each other without any
> human interaction and it's not that hard, but won't also be human-like.
> Second, the whole artificial intelligence movement is too focused in
> simulating human behaviour that they forget that a program doesn't need
> to be human to be intelligent. And last, there are some basic things
> like instincts and collective unconscious that can be created new for
> machines and don't have to be copied from our experience. But that's a
> discussion for a completely different mailing list.
> The role of RDF in this "revolution" we're all anxiously waiting on AI
> can be more important than we know today and that's the feeling of many
> people I talk to, but still it's a gut-feeling rather than something
> concrete. The concrete about RDF is exactly what Andreas said: organize
> the data so we can retrieve it more efficiently. Learning from that data
> is far from our reach with today's technology and it's maybe not even
> the right time to think about it as it'll put too much expectations on
> the semantic technology that won't necessarily happen soon.
> Unfortunately, people with money don't like to wait. We shouldn't tell
> them what they can do next decade as they'll want it for next year.
> My 2 pence...
> cheers,
> --renato

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