Re: The Object Oriented Web

Azamat, maybe this was a bit too harsh. I wouldn't say I have no clue
about machine learning and web semantics - your imputation is not even
better for an experienced researcher, sorry.


However, I didn't want this thread to die.

The more interesting idea of Manual / I think / was the idea of globally
available Web objects whose state can be changed anywhere (2nd paragraph
in his blog post).
Obviously the OpenID project [1] has gained great acceptance, because
there is a real use-case and implementors of web portals adopt it - this
is not an "object" but at a higher-level a person's identity could be
seen as an object.

[1] http://openid.net/

Regards and sorry for reacting a bit emotionally first,
Andy


  wrote:
> 
> Opining, speaking your peculiar opinion without fear, is not something 
> wrong. At best, it can be resulted by an argumentive silence. But 
> sounding off a judgment on some fundamental subject, like machine 
> intelligence and web semantics, without knowing its essentials is a bad 
> mark for any good researcher.
> Azamat
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andreas Langegger" 
> <andreas.langegger@gmx.at>
> To: "Manuel Vila" <mvila@3base.com>
> Cc: "Semantic Web" <semantic-web@w3.org>
> Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 12:36 PM
> Subject: Re: The Object Oriented Web
> 
> 
>>
>> Dear Manuel,
>>
>> just some comments from my point of view...
>>
>> #1# computers will never talk to each other by random, ie. without 
>> human control. I think sb of us have already forgotten, that real life 
>> is not of bits and bytes, and that we cannot digitize a human life or 
>> body. There is a real gap between people believing that machines are 
>> the next step in evolution (Moravec, Kurzweil, ...) and more-like 
>> realists as Joseph Weizenbaum for example.
>>
>> Communication is always HUMAN-2-HUMAN and that there is no isolated 
>> MACHINE-2-MACHINE communication: 
>> http://www.langegger.at/papers/IIWAS06-InvitedTalk.pdf (slides 21ff)
>>
>> So the "Semantics" in the Semantic Web finally helps "humans" to 
>> implement more intelligent software on the Web. That's it, that's cool.
>>
>> #2# I think interoperability today is exactly there, where sb pays for 
>> its realization, ie. where there is a market (you mentioned payment 
>> services). Standardization is not easy and becomes more difficult with 
>> an increasing number of stakeholders - e.g. there are only a few 
>> credit card companies compared to blog implementations with a comment 
>> feature.
>>
>> #3# Your idea of - you call it "Object Oriented Web" - in my eyes is 
>> exactly what is expected from the Semantic Web, although it could be 
>> seen as an additional layer on top if it, describing "objects" which 
>> may have a "global state" and can be changed anywhere. I think this 
>> will become true in some areas, where sb. "pays" for its realization 
>> (money or spending "time") and where there is a small enough set of 
>> stakeholders strong enough to get people adopt and use it... what I 
>> mean is, idealistic visions are good, but perhaps I'm more a realistic 
>> person also taking into accout social and economic aspects.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Andy
>>
>>
>>
>> Manuel Vila wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I would be very happy to get some feedback about the concept of 
>>> "Object Oriented Web" as I just outlined here:
>>>
>>> http://blog.kindalab.com/2007/11/02/the-object-oriented-web/
>>>
>>> Feel free to send your comments either here or on my blog.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>
>>> Manuel Vila
>>> http://claimid.com/mvila
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> -- 
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Dipl.-Ing.(FH) Andreas Langegger
>> Institute for Applied Knowledge Processing
>> Johannes Kepler University Linz
>> A-4040 Linz, Altenberger Straße 69
>> > http://www.faw.at
>> > http://www.langegger.at
>>
> 
> 

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Dipl.-Ing.(FH) Andreas Langegger
Institute for Applied Knowledge Processing
Johannes Kepler University Linz
A-4040 Linz, Altenberger Straße 69
> http://www.faw.at
> http://www.langegger.at

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