Re: The Object Oriented Web

Opining, speaking your peculiar opinion without fear, is not something 
wrong. At best, it can be resulted by an argumentive silence. But sounding 
off a judgment on some fundamental subject, like machine intelligence and 
web semantics, without knowing its essentials is a bad mark for any good 
researcher.
Azamat

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andreas Langegger" <andreas.langegger@gmx.at>
To: "Manuel Vila" <mvila@3base.com>
Cc: "Semantic Web" <semantic-web@w3.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: The Object Oriented Web


>
> Dear Manuel,
>
> just some comments from my point of view...
>
> #1# computers will never talk to each other by random, ie. without human 
> control. I think sb of us have already forgotten, that real life is not of 
> bits and bytes, and that we cannot digitize a human life or body. There is 
> a real gap between people believing that machines are the next step in 
> evolution (Moravec, Kurzweil, ...) and more-like realists as Joseph 
> Weizenbaum for example.
>
> Communication is always HUMAN-2-HUMAN and that there is no isolated 
> MACHINE-2-MACHINE communication: 
> http://www.langegger.at/papers/IIWAS06-InvitedTalk.pdf (slides 21ff)
>
> So the "Semantics" in the Semantic Web finally helps "humans" to implement 
> more intelligent software on the Web. That's it, that's cool.
>
> #2# I think interoperability today is exactly there, where sb pays for its 
> realization, ie. where there is a market (you mentioned payment services). 
> Standardization is not easy and becomes more difficult with an increasing 
> number of stakeholders - e.g. there are only a few credit card companies 
> compared to blog implementations with a comment feature.
>
> #3# Your idea of - you call it "Object Oriented Web" - in my eyes is 
> exactly what is expected from the Semantic Web, although it could be seen 
> as an additional layer on top if it, describing "objects" which may have a 
> "global state" and can be changed anywhere. I think this will become true 
> in some areas, where sb. "pays" for its realization (money or spending 
> "time") and where there is a small enough set of stakeholders strong 
> enough to get people adopt and use it... what I mean is, idealistic 
> visions are good, but perhaps I'm more a realistic person also taking into 
> accout social and economic aspects.
>
> Best regards,
> Andy
>
>
>
> Manuel Vila wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I would be very happy to get some feedback about the concept of "Object 
>> Oriented Web" as I just outlined here:
>>
>> http://blog.kindalab.com/2007/11/02/the-object-oriented-web/
>>
>> Feel free to send your comments either here or on my blog.
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>> Manuel Vila
>> http://claimid.com/mvila
>>
>>
>>
>
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> Dipl.-Ing.(FH) Andreas Langegger
> Institute for Applied Knowledge Processing
> Johannes Kepler University Linz
> A-4040 Linz, Altenberger Straße 69
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>

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