- From: Leonid Ototsky <leo@mgn.ru>
- Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 12:34:23 +0600
- To: "Azamat" <abdoul@cytanet.com.cy>
- CC: "'SW-forum'" <semantic-web@w3.org>, timbl@w3.org
Azamat, > AA: Certainly, it will be only to good account. The mater is too significant > to be only under the SW community umbrella. But to unite all the intelligent > labour ( as it happens with the world proletariat), one need a great > unifying idea of global ontology (as it is communism), of course, promted > with goodwill. Suppose such "unifing idea" is the VSM of Stafford Beer :-) At the System 5 level of the VSM he uses the McCulloch's idea of the "Redundancy of Potential Command" . It is priniple for a "globalization" of "Horisontal Communications" . A principle new possibilities for this give the Web ! Therefore now there must be a new wave of interest to the Beer's heritage. I have organized already a communication of the VSM community not only with common ONTOLOGY community but with the leader of the EPISTLE Core Model - Matthew West. The both correspondents live in London. Leonid Вы писали 18 апреля 2007 г., 1:25:53: > Hi, Leonid, > You have a good point. But to start any large-scale ontology application > projects, like SW, all the stakeholders need first to decide the principal > 'ideological' issue [as we always had been learnt in the USSR's times]: > EITHER > 1.To encode human learning (on key changes in the world, e.g., global risks, > disasters) in diverse upper and specific logical ontologies using different > formal representation and reasoning languages; > OR > 2. To encode human knowledge (on key changes in the world, e.g., global > risks, disasters) in a single dynamic global ontology using a unifying > representation language of reality. > See my other comments interspersed. > Regards, > Azamat Abdoullaev > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leonid Ototsky" <leo@mgn.ru> > To: "Azamat Abdoullaev" <abdoul@cytanet.com.cy> > Cc: <semantic-web@w3.org>; "Tim Berners-Lee" <timbl@w3.org> > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 7:36 PM > Subject: Re: Re: Disaster management ontologies? > Azamat , > Suppose it is very important ! As first steps it will be good to > organize close communications with another communities around. > For example with the ONTOLOG community which activity is around Upper > Ontologies - http://ontolog.cim3.net/. > AA: That's my proposal as well, to pull all the resources, intellectual and > financial, regardless which team you are playing for. But just think how to > do this devilish job if the number of the ontology-concerned communities as > various as: > Formal ontology communities; > Semantic Web communities; > Linguistic communities; > Concept Map community; > Topic Map community; > SEARCH communities; > Web 2.0 communities; > Thesauri community; > Taxonomy communities; > Metadata communities; > XML communities; > Applications Development, Software Engineering and Information Model > communities; > System Architecture communities; > Biomedical communities; > Standards Development communities; > Other > Accordinly, you meet many idiosyncratic interpretations of ontology: of 53 > OntologySummit 2007 Survey individual responses, only few interpetations > seem close to reality, ''a conceptual and semantic model of reality' (PDM) > http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologySummit2007_Survey. > They have already a reference to the Stafford Beer community (VSM) > > http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?RelevantEventsOfInterest2007 > (see 9-10 of March). Suppose it will be helpful for the Semantic-Web > community to have close communications with VSM community too.! > http://cybernetics-society.wikispaces.com/ > AA: Certainly, it will be only to good account. The mater is too significant > to be only under the SW community umbrella. But to unite all the intelligent > labour ( as it happens with the world proletariat), one need a great > unifying idea of global ontology (as it is communism), of course, promted > with goodwill. > Best, > Leonid Otosky - http://ototsky.mgn.ru/it > - > Вы писали 18 апреля 2007 г., 3:16:07: >> To: Tim Berners-Lee and to whom it may concern, >> On this life-or-death issue, there is a useful review made by Paola Di >> Maio: 'An Open Ontology for Open Source Emergency Response System', >> http://opensource.mit.edu/papers/TOWARDS_AN_OPEN_ONTOLOGY_FOR_ER.pdf >> But more integrative approach to the matter has been proposed by the >> World >> Economic Forum Global Risk Network, where cataclysmic events as >> disasters >> and catastrophes fall into an interconnected network of global risks, >> such >> as environmental, economic, geopolitical, societal, and technological: >> www.weforum.org/pdf/CSI/Global_Risks_2007.pdf. >> IMHO, to integrate human knowledge and understanding on existing and >> possible risks (hazards, dangers, or perils) of planetary significance, >> we >> rather need to pull all the resources for building a Global Risk >> Management >> System, driven by a global risk management ontology with predictive >> causal >> mechanisms. I believe this crucial research project needs a collaborative >> network of research organizations, government institutions, NGOs, >> think-tanks, international bodies, and advanced IT businesses, led both by >> an ontology luminary and technology celebrity . This trans-national >> research >> network can start as a Quality Consortium within a FP7 Cooperation program >> in the area of Information and Communication Technologies. >> with respects, >> Azamat Abdoullaev >> EIS Encyclopedic Intelligent Systems LTD >> http://www.eis.com.cy >> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Tim Berners-Lee" <timbl@w3.org> >>> To: "SW-forum" <semantic-web@w3.org> >>> Cc: "Jim Hendler" <hendler@cs.umd.edu> >>> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 4:01 AM >>> Subject: Disaster management ontologies? >>> >>> >>>> >>>> I had an exciting visit from the students in Sri Lanka who had just >>>> received an award for their open source disaster management system, >>>> Sahana. >>>> http://www.sahana.lk/ >>>> >>>> Discussing their system, which has just received a Free Software >>>> Foundation award, I remembered many conversations about the >>>> desirability >>>> for wide interoperability in emergence and disaster situations. >>>> >>>> I suggested the Sahana folks provide RDF feeds of, for example, missing >>>> persons, found persons, shelters, relive groups and resources on the >>>> ground, and other things they track. >>>> >>>> I started a wiki page to capture a little of this >>>> http://esw.w3.org/topic/DisasterManagement >>>> which is like all wikis open to additions! >>>> >>>> It is missing, I imagine, many pointers to government efforts. >>>> >>>> If you know of activity around disaster management technology which >>>> could >>>> possible be involved in or shed light on this, then please mail >>>> ivan@w3.org or add it to the wiki. >>>> >>>> A possible next step would be an Incubator Group (XG) for a diaster >>>> management ontology development. >>>> >>>> Disaster response is much about preparedness. If much relevant data is >>>> available in RDF, when a disaster strikes, those on the ground and >>>> across >>>> the world will be able to use it to know what best to do to respond. >>>> >>>> Tim Berners-Lee >>>> >>>> >>> -- С уважением, Leonid mailto:leo@mgn.ru
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