Re: DRAFT XML Query/XSL WG Joint Teleconference #656 Agenda 2016-10-04

On 16-09-30 09:58 AM, Andrew Coleman wrote:
> DRAFT XML Query/XSL WG Joint Teleconference #656 Agenda 2016-10-04
>
>
> Andy will chair this meeting.
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> PLEASE SEND CORRECTIONS AND ADDITIONS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE SO A REVISED
> AGENDA CAN BE PREPARED IN A TIMELY MANNER!
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> Changes in this agenda:
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>
> This week, I'd like us to work on the following items:
> J4.2 (F&O)
> J4.4 (XPath)
> J4.6 (Test suite)
> Q2.4 (XQueryX)
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>
> Key:
> J = Joint Query/XSLT meeting;
> Q = Query-only meeting
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> Teleconference connection details
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> (Member only)
> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-xsl-query/2015Sep/0014.html
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>
>
> SUMMARY OF DECISIONS
> ====================
> Note to secretary: Please insert a summary of all decisions made during
> this teleconference at this location in the minutes.
>
> Decisions MUST be clear as to their complete intent.  The subject of the
> decision should *not* require dereferencing; it is most helpful if
> agenda numbers and bug numbers are accompanied by their titles.  If a
> decision is recorded about the resolution of a bug, the decision must
> state exactly what the resolution is (e.g., "Accept the solution in
> comment #5", or "Replace the production for XXX with this: <new
> production>", or the like.  It should be possible to read a decision
> months later and be certain what it meant and whether or not it was
> properly applied.

DECISION re bug 29832 ([FO31] fn:transform options):
accept MKay's proposed change.

DECISION re bug 28812 (JSON options 'unescape' and 'liberal' prevent use of
off-the-shelf JSON parsers):
Reaffirm the decision of last year rather than that of last week.

DECISION re bug 29890 ([SER31] Arrays in sequence normalization):
Add the sentence to the SER31 spec: "Each item in the sequence that is an
array is flattened by calling the function array:flatten() before being
copied."

DECISION re bug 29868 (XQueryX stylesheet does not always convert arrowExpr
to XQuery correctly):
accept Josh's solution in comment 1 of the bug.


> NEW ACTION ITEMS
> ================
> Note to secretary: Please insert all new action items assigned during
> this teleconference at this location in the minutes.
>
> Action items MUST make sense even when they are viewed standalone (that
> is, not read in the context of the agenda item where they were
> assigned).  This explicitly requires that all referents (e.g., "this",
> "that") be made clear.  Action items such as "Ralph to resolve this
> problem" are DISALLOWED.  It takes a scribe only a few additional
> minutes to ensure that action items are clear, while it takes the entire
> WG considerable effort to constantly research the meaning of unclear
> action items.  The subject of the action item should *not* require
> dereferencing; it is most helpful if agenda numbers and bug numbers are
> accompanied by their titles.

ACTION 656-01: MKay to make the change summarized in comment 11 of Bug 28812
(JSON options 'unescape' and 'liberal' prevent use of off-the-shelf JSON
parsers)

ACTION 656-02: Andy to carry out the decision re Bug 29890 ([SER31] Arrays
in sequence normalization).

ACTION 656-03: Abel to modify tests in fn/transform.xml to use XPath syntax.

ACTION 656-04: O'Neil to run the test suite catalog checks.

ACTION 656-05: Josh to implement the fix in comment 1 of bug 29868 (XQueryX
stylesheet does not always convert arrowExpr to XQuery correctly).


> ===================================================
> Joint XML Query Working Group and XSL Working Group
> ===================================================
>
>
> J1. Administrative Items
>
> J1.1 Selection of secretary(s)
>
> Michael Dyck has been asked to take the minutes.  Abel has been asked to stand by.

Michael Dyck scribed.


> NOTE: The chair will confirm the secretary prior to the start of the
> meeting.
>
>
> Most recent secretaries (least-recent participants first):
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> (This list identifies the most recent three occasions when each
> participant acted as Secretary for the Task Force.  The person whose
> name is at the top of the list should plan to take the minutes at the
> meeting identified by this agenda; if that person is unavailable, then
> the job will fall to the next person on the list, etc.
>
> Abel Braaksma       - 2016-06-28
> Jonathan Robie      - 2016-07-05, 2016-04-12, 2016-01-05
> Josh Spiegel        - 2016-07-19, 2016-03-15, 2015-12-01
> Mike Kay            - 2016-07-26, 2016-04-26, 2016-03-01
> O'Neil Delpratt     - 2016-09-06, 2016-04-19, 2016-02-02
> Liam Quin           - 2016-09-13, 2016-05-03, 2016-01-19
> Tim Mills           - 2016-09-20, 2016-05-10, 2016-03-22
> Michael Sprbrg-McQn - 2016-09-27, 2016-06-07, 2016-02-09
> Michael Dyck        - 2016-10-04, 2016-06-14, 2016-03-08
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>
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> J1.2 Call the Roll -- NOT DONE DURING TELECONFERENCE
>
> Note to secretary: During the meeting, take a note of the Webex
> participants, then list in the minutes those present and those who sent
> regrets.  All others will be presumed to have been absent without regrets.
>
>
> XML Query WG membership list:
> http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=18797&order=org
>
> XSL WG membership list:
> http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=19552&order=org

Abel Braaksma
Andy Coleman
C. M. Sperberg-McQueen
Jonathan Robie
Josh Spiegel
Liam Quin
Michael Dyck
Michael Kay
O'Neil Delpratt
Tim Mills


> Regrets:

None.


> J1.3 Approval of agenda
>
> J1.3.1 Additions, deletions, or corrections?

Add J4.2.2 for Bug 28812.
Add J4.3.1 for Bug 29890.


> J1.4 Review of recent minutes and administrative items
>
> J1.4.1 Minutes of meeting #655 (MSM)
> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016Sep/0033.html
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> J1.5 Review of action items
>
> NOTE: Please be prepared to respond quickly on your action items!
>
> J1.5.1 Outstanding action items
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> ACTION A-654-01:  Abel to commit changes to CVS for fn:transform tests.
>
> Status: Pending; ETA 2016-10-04

Done.
See https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016Oct/0001.html


> ACTION A-654-09: Tim to fix test suite bug 29833.
>
> Status: Closed; Reported in last meeting. See
> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29833#c1

[Should have been moved down to Completed action items.]


> ACTION A-654-11: Jonathan, Michael Kay, Abel, Tim, Michael
> Sperberg-McQueen and Andy to review assigned specifications.
>
> Status: Pending; ETA 2016-10-11

MSM: I will probably be late [with the review of XQuery 3.1].


> ACTION A-655-05: Jonathan Robie to make a proposal to resolve bug 29858 "Named
> Function References - context information".
>
> Status: Pending; ETA not specified.

ETA 2016-10-11


> ACTION A-655-06: Jonathan Robie to review the use of the verb "denote" in the
> XPath and XQuery specs.
>
> Status: Pending; ETA not specified.

ETA 2016-10-11


> J1.5.2 Completed action items
>
>
> ACTION A-654-07: Josh to investigate duplicated elements in XQueryX (Bug
> 29823).
>
> Status: Closed; See
> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016Sep/0026.html
>
>
> ACTION A-654-08: Josh to review Bug 29789 with respect to latest F&O
> updates.
>
> Status: Closed; See
> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016Sep/0027.html
>
>
> ACTION A-655-01: MK to produce detailed proposal for 29832
> "fn:transform options" for WG to review.
>
> Status: Closed; See
> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29832#c4
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> ACTION A-655-02: MK to write up suggestion in comment 2 of bug 29853
> "fn:collation-key() does not depend on implicit-timezone".
>
> Status: Closed; See
> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29853#c3
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> ACTION A-655-03: MK to make the change proposed in comment 2 of bug 29865 "UCA
> collation in substring matching".
>
> Status: Closed; See
> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29865#c4
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>
> ACTION A-655-04: MK to fix bug 29872 "escape=yes in parse-json() and
> json-to-xml()" as proposed.
>
> Status: Closed; See
> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29872#c1
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>
>
> J1.6 Update on related activities
>
> J1.6.1 Update on XSLT WG activities (Sharon, MikeK)

Sharon's been sorting out shortnames.


> J1.6.2 Update on EXPath/EXQuery CG activities (Mike)

Some back-chat on XSpec.


> J1.7 Future Meetings
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> J1.7.1 QT Meeting Schedule
>
> [V45] Joint XML Query/XSL WG meeting schedule
> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-xsl-query/2016Jul/0003.html
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>
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> J1.7.2 Future F2F Meetings
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> J1.7.2.1 Other future F2F meetings
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> (none)
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> J2. Documents For Review
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> (none)
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>
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> J3. Maintenance Issues
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> J3.0 The XML Query WG and XSLT WG do not intend to maintains specs
> earlier than the 3.0 suite of documents; when the 3.1 suite reaches
> Recommendation, maintenance of the 3.0 documents will be terminated.
>
> This agenda item is reserved for reporting errors and other problems
> reported against the 3.0 (later, 3.1) suite of specifications.
>
>
> J3.0.1 Concerns raised by the XSLT working group in regards to potential
> completion delays of XSLT 3.0 if XPath 3.0 is made obsoleted by 3.1
>
> Status: Pending the outcome of Abel's review of 3.0 bugs/errata.
>         Any change to the status of the 3.0 specs requires explicit XSL WG
>         consultation.
>
>
> J3.1 Bugzilla Bugs filed against the 3.0 suite of joint XML Query WG and
> XSLT WG documents
>
> (none)
>
>
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> J4. Active Specification Development
>
>
> ** Note: Full Text 3.1 has been removed from the WG agenda.
> If, in the future, there is sufficient interest (i.e. at least two
> independent participants to develop the spec and implementations),
> then this can be brought back on the agenda.
>
>
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> J4.1 Data Model 3.1 (Norm)
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> J4.1.0 Internal working draft
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-datamodel-31/html/Overview.html
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-datamodel-31/html/Overview-diff.html
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-datamodel-31/src/changes.txt
>
> (none)
>
>
> J4.2 Functions and Operators 3.1 (Mike Kay)
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> J4.2.0 Internal working draft
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-functions-31/html/Overview.html
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-functions-31/html/Overview-diff.html
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-functions-31/src/changes.txt
>
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> J4.2.1 [FO31] fn:transform options
> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29832
>
> Status: Ready to discuss; See proposal:
> https://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-functions-31/html/Overview-diff.html#func-transform

DECISION: Accept MKay's proposed change.

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New agenda item:
J4.2.2 Bug 28812 (https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=28812)
JSON options 'unescape' and 'liberal' prevent use of off-the-shelf JSON parsers

MKay reviews bug.

DECISION: Reaffirm the decision of last year rather than that of last week.

ACTION 656-01: MKay to make the change summarized in comment 11.

Some discussion about slash and quotation mark.
(We escape slash but not quotes.)


> J4.3 Serialization 3.1 (Michael Sperberg-McQueen, Andy)
>
> J4.3.0 Internal working draft
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xslt-xquery-serialization-31/html/Overview.html
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xslt-xquery-serialization-31/html/Overview-diff.html
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xslt-xquery-serialization-31/src/changes.txt
>
> (none)

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New agenda item:
J4.3.1 Bug 29890 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29890
[SER31] Arrays in sequence normalization

Tim reviews the bug.

"Each item in the sequence that is an array is flattened by calling the function
array:flatten() before being copied."

DECISION: Add that sentence to SER31.

ACTION 656-02: Andy to do so.


> J4.4 XPath 3.1 (Jonathan)
>
> J4.4.0 Internal working draft
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xpath-31.html
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xpath-31-diff.html
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/src/changes.txt
>
>
> J4.4.1 Bug 29858 - [XP31] Named Function References - context information
> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29858
>
> Status: Pending completion of A-655-05
>
>
>
> J4.5 Grammar Test Applets (Michael Dyck)
>
> (none)
>
>
> J4.6 QT3 test suite (O'Neil)
>
> J4.6.1 Status report on test suite, harness, tools
>
>
> J4.6.2 Status of 3.1 tests results
>
> Status: Currently three implementers submitted results

O'Neil reviews latest results report.

Abel: a lot of tests that use XQuery syntax could just use XPath syntax.
E.g., change
     declare variable $xsl as xs:string :="<xsl:stylesheet xmln...
to
     let $xsl as xs:string :="<xsl:stylesheet xmln...

ACTION 656-03: Abel to modify tests in fn/transform.xml to use XPath syntax.

ACTION 656-04: O'Neil to run the test suite catalog checks.


> J5. Progression of Work
>
> J5.1 XSLT 3.0, XQuery 3.1, XQueryX 3.1, XPath 3.1, XDM 3.1, F&O 3.1,
> Serialization 3.1
>
> J5.1.1 Current status
>
> * In Candidate Recommendation; awaiting implementation reports
>
> * Potential coordination of dates with XSLT 3.0
>
>
> J5.1.2 Dependencies inhibiting progression
>
> * Sufficient implementation experience and reports thereof
>
> * Detailed review of specifications by WG
>
> Participant assigned to each document for detailed review
>   - XDM 3.1           - Jonathan
>   - XPath 3.1         - Mike Kay
>   - F&O 3.1           - Abel
>   - Serialization 3.1 - Tim
>   - XQuery 3.1        - Michael Sperberg-McQueen
>   - XQueryX 3.1       - Andy
>
>
> * Formal response to all comments, responses accepted by commenters
>
> * PR Transition Request and authorization, PR pub request
>
> * REC Transition Request and authorization, REC pub request
>
>
>
> J5.2 Update 3.0
>
> J5.2.1 Current Status
>
> * In Last Call Working Draft
>
> At XML Prague, Liam talked to a few people about XQuery Update but found
> no great enthusiasm for doing the work.  We cannot progress without plans
> for a test suite and potential implementers.  The WG needs to decide what
> to do with this spec.
>
> Status: Ready to discuss
>
>
>
> J5.2.2 Require owner of XQUF 3.0 Test Suite
>
>
> J5.2.3 Dependencies inhibiting progression
>
> * CR Transition Request and authorization, CR pub request
>
> * Completion of test suite minimum-required-to-declare-victory
>
> * Sufficient implementation experience and reports thereof
>
> * Formal response to all comments, responses accepted by commenters
>
> * PR Transition Request and authorization, PR pub request
>
> * REC Transition Request and authorization, REC pub request
>
>
>
> J6. Any other business
>
> J6.1 Consideration of future work
>
> J6.1.1 QT 3.2
>
> The WGs decided that we will finish the 3.1 documents presently under way,
> but undertake no new work. Maintenance work should be planned upon for a
> period of time after finishing the specifications.
>
>
> J6.1.2 FT 3.1
>
> Currently inadequate interest and resources
>
>
> J6.1.3 Update 3.1
>
> Currently inadequate interest and resources
>
>
>
> J7. Adjourn
>
>
>
>
> =======================
> XML Query Working Group
> =======================
>
> Q1. The XML Query WG does not intend to maintains specs earlier than the
> 3.0 suite of documents; when the 3.1 suite reaches Recommendation,
> maintenance of the 3.0 documents will be terminated.
>
> Q1.0 This agenda item is reserved for reporting errors and other
> problems reported against the 3.0 (later, 3.1) XML Query WG suite of
> specifications.
>
>
> Q1.1 Bugzilla Bugs filed against the 3.0 suite of XML Query WG documents
>
> (none)
>
>
>
> Q2. Active Specification Development
>
> Q2.1 XQuery Update Facility 3.0 (John)
>
> Q2.1.0 Internal working draft
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-update-30/html/Overview.html
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-update-30/html/Overview-diff.html
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-update-30/src/changes.txt
>
> * The WG needs to obtain implementation experience with this document.
>
>
> Q2.2 XQuery Update Facility 3.0 Requirements and Use Cases (Andy)
> See
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/requirements/xquery-update-30/html/Overview.html
>
> * The WGs need to be certain that this document is completed
> (red/yellow/green bullets on requirements, all the use cases intended to
> be published) and a decision made to advance it to WG Note.
>
>
> Q2.3 XQuery 3.1 (Jonathan)
>
> Q2.3.0 Internal working draft
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xquery-31.html
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xquery-31-diff.html
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/src/changes.txt
>
> (none)
>
>
> Q2.4 XQueryX 3.1 (Josh)
>
> Q2.4.0 Internal working draft
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xqueryx-31/html/Overview.html
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xqueryx-31/html/Overview-diff.html
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xqueryx-31/src/changes.txt
>
>
> Q2.4.1 Bug 29868 - XQueryX stylesheet does not always convert arrowExpr to XQuery correctly
> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29868
>
> Status: Ready to discuss

Josh reviews bug.

DECISION: accept Josh's solution in comment 1.

ACTION 656-05: Josh to implement the fix.


> Q3. Test Suite Development
>
> Q3.1 Update Facility 3.0 Test Suite (????)
>
> * Need test suite developer/manager
>
> * Need tests
>
>
>
> Q4. Any other business
>
>
>
> Q5. Adjourn

-Michael

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