- From: O'Neil Delpratt <oneil@saxonica.com>
- Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2016 11:27:21 +0000
- To: Public Joint XSLT XQuery XPath <public-xsl-query@w3.org>
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## Lines that begin with ## denote decisions, actions, or other things added by the scribe. O’Neil Delpratt > On 25 Nov 2016, at 14:09, Andrew Coleman <andrew_coleman@uk.ibm.com <mailto:andrew_coleman@uk.ibm.com>> wrote: > > DRAFT XML Query/XSL WG Joint Teleconference #662 Agenda 2016-11-29 > > > ## Andy chaired the telcon. > > Changes in this agenda: ## None > > > > This week, I'd like us to work on the following items: > J4.2 (F&O) > J4.6 (Test suite) > J5 (Progression to PR) > > > Key: > J = Joint Query/XSLT meeting; > Q = Query-only meeting > > > > SUMMARY OF DECISIONS > ==================== > ## DECISION Working Group agreed to close bug 29952 with ‘works for me’. See agenda item J4.6.1 > > NEW ACTION ITEMS > ================ ## ACTION A-662-01: Josh and Jonathan to review the XQuery 3.1 changes relating to the introduction and abstract. ## ACTION A-662-02: MikeKay to make change proposed in comment 11 of Bug 29951. ## ACTION A-662-03: MikeKay to make the change mentioned in comment 2 of the Bug 29789 - to add note to FO spec. ## ACTION A-662-04: MikeKay to investigate bug 29932 ## ACTION A-662-05: O’Neil/Mike to propose a way to version the QT3 test suite and Generate white list. > > > > > =================================================== > Joint XML Query Working Group and XSL Working Group > =================================================== > > > J1. Administrative Items > > J1.1 Selection of secretary(s) > > ## O’Neil took minutes > > Most recent secretaries (least-recent participants first): > ---------------------------------------------------------- > (This list identifies the most recent three occasions when each > participant acted as Secretary for the Task Force. The person whose > name is at the top of the list should plan to take the minutes at the > meeting identified by this agenda; if that person is unavailable, then > the job will fall to the next person on the list, etc. > > > Michael Sprbrg-McQn - 2016-09-27, 2016-06-07, 2016-02-09 > Michael Dyck - 2016-10-04, 2016-06-14, 2016-03-08 > Abel Braaksma - 2016-10-18, 2016-06-28 > Liam Quin - 2016-10-25, 2016-09-13, 2016-05-03 > Josh Spiegel - 2016-11-01, 2016-07-19, 2016-03-15 > Jonathan Robie - 2016-11-08, 2016-07-05, 2016-04-12 > Mike Kay - 2016-11-15, 2016-07-26, 2016-04-26 ## O'Neil Delpratt - 2016-11-30 , 2016-09-06, 2016-04-19 > > > > > J1.2 Call the Roll -- NOT DONE DURING TELECONFERENCE > > ## Mike Kay Andy Josh Jonathan Liam O’Neil Michal Sprbrg-McQn Michael Dyck > > > XML Query WG membership list: > http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=18797&order=org <http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=18797&order=org> > > XSL WG membership list: > http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=19552&order=org <http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=19552&order=org> > > > Regrets: > > > > > J1.3 Approval of agenda ## Approved > > J1.3.1 Additions, deletions, or corrections? > > > > J1.4 Review of recent minutes and administrative items > > J1.4.1 Minutes of meeting #661 (Mike) > https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016Nov/0033.html <https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016Nov/0033.html> ## Approved > > > J1.5 Review of action items > > NOTE: Please be prepared to respond quickly on your action items! > > J1.5.1 Outstanding action items > > > ACTION A-657-12: ABr to create more tests for fn:transform, as he describes in bug 29834 > > Status: Pending; ETA 2016-11-26 ## Leave open > > > ACTION A-658-01 Liam to review XDM > > Status: Pending; ETA 2016-11-15 ## Completed and closed. Bug 30022 > > > ACTION A-658-03 Josh to review XQuery 3.1 > > Status: Pending; ETA 2016-11-29 ## Leave open. In progress. Most of the things noticed are small. But the abstract and introduction does not mention JSON and some of the details are out-of-date. ## ACTION A-662-01: Josh and Jonathan to review the XQuery 3.1 changes relating to the introduction and abstract. > > > ACTION A-658-07 Liam to review MIME type registration for XQuery 3.1 > > Status: Pending; ETA not specified. ## Leave open > > > ACTION A-661-01 Jonathan to rebuild XPath/XQuery specs using the HTML5 build route. > > Status: Pending; ETA 2016-11-29. ## Close. Completed by Josh > > > ACTION A-661-02 Josh to rebuild the XQueryX specs using the HTML5 build route. > > Status: Pending; ETA 2016-11-29. ## Close. See email: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016Nov/0043.html <https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016Nov/0043.html> > > > ACTION A-661-04 (Bug 29997) AB to fix up the dependencies on the fn:transform tests and if appropriate resubmit results. > > Status: Pending; ETA not specified. ## Leave open. > > > ACTION A-661-06 (Bug 29949) OND to decide which approach to take and do it. Alternatives suggested include (a) adding a (rather specialized dependency) for these tests, or (b) dropping the tests, or (c) alternative results. > > Status: Pending; ETA not specified. ## Leave open. ETA 6th Dec 2016 > > > ACTION A-661-07 (Bug 29952) MK to investigate these tests. > > Status: Pending; ETA not specified. ## Close. See comment 1 in bug report. https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29952 <https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29952> > > > ACTION A-661-09 (Bug 29959 – fn:put) JR: Amend XQ 3.1 requirements (changing the status of this requirement). (And while there under 2.4.4 collations, there is a misreference to fn:put()). > > Status: Pending; ETA not specified. ## Leave open. ETA 6th Dec. > > > ACTION A-661-10 (Bug 29959 – fn:put) JR: In the XQuery 3.1 spec, get rid of the optional fn:put() feature > > Status: Pending; ETA not specified. > ## Leave open. ETA 6th Dec. > > > J1.5.2 Completed action items > > > ACTION A-655-06: Jonathan Robie to review the use of the verb "denote" in the > XPath and XQuery specs. > > Status: Closed; Reviewed and decided to make no changes > > > ACTION A-658-02 Andy to review XDM > > Status: Closed; Found and fixed some minor editorial issues > > > ACTION A-659-04 Mike to review bug 29789. > > Status: Closed; See > https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29789#c2 <https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29789#c2> > > > ACTION A-660-01: Jonathan to review Josh's resolution to bug 29858. > > Status: Closed; Reported in last meeting > > > ACTION A-660-02: Jonathan to add resolution of Bug 29975 to XQuery / XPath. > > Status: Closed; Reported in last meeting > > > ACTION A-660-03: Mike to add resolution of Bug 29975 to XSLT. > > Status: Closed; Reported in last meeting > > > ACTION A-660-06: Jonathan, Andy, Josh to ensure that their documents build with the new stylesheets. > > Status: Closed; Some specs done, new action items opened for remaining specs > > > ACTION A-661-03: (Bug 29951) MK to flesh out a proposal for fn:transform to drop the "saved" option and replace it with a new option whose value is a user-supplied post-processing function. > > Status: Closed; See > https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29789#c2 <https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29789#c2> > > > ACTION A-661-05 (Bug 29932) MK to investigate and report. The bug is apparently a duplicate of 29884 and possibly 29966. > > Status: Closed; 29884 & 29966 closed as duplicates of 29932 > > > ACTION A-661-08 (Bug 29965) OND to add a dependency on XSLT 3.0 to these tests. > > Status: Closed; See > https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29965#c1 <https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29965#c1> > > > ACTION A-661-11 (Bug 29959 – fn:put) MK: Add reference to fn:put(), EXPath etc in a non-normative appendix. > > Status: Closed; See > https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016Nov/0036.html <https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016Nov/0036.html> > > > > J1.6 Update on related activities > > J1.6.1 Update on XSLT WG activities (Sharon, MikeK) ## Nothing to report. > > > > J1.6.2 Update on EXPath/EXQuery CG activities (Mike) ## Nothing to report. > > > > J1.7 Future Meetings > > J1.7.1 QT Meeting Schedule > > [V45] Joint XML Query/XSL WG meeting schedule > https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-xsl-query/2016Jul/0003.html <https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-xsl-query/2016Jul/0003.html> > > > > J1.7.2 Future F2F Meetings > > J1.7.2.1 Other future F2F meetings > > (none) > > > J2. Documents For Review > > (none) > > > > J3. Maintenance Issues > > J3.0 The XML Query WG and XSLT WG do not intend to maintains specs > earlier than the 3.0 suite of documents; when the 3.1 suite reaches > Recommendation, maintenance of the 3.0 documents will be terminated. > > This agenda item is reserved for reporting errors and other problems > reported against the 3.0 (later, 3.1) suite of specifications. > > > J3.0.1 Concerns raised by the XSLT working group in regards to potential > completion delays of XSLT 3.0 if XPath 3.0 is made obsoleted by 3.1 > > Status: Pending the outcome of Abel's review of 3.0 bugs/errata. > Any change to the status of the 3.0 specs requires explicit XSL WG > consultation. > > > J3.1 Bugzilla Bugs filed against the 3.0 suite of joint XML Query WG and > XSLT WG documents > > (none) > > > > J4. Active Specification Development > > > ** Note: Full Text 3.1 has been removed from the WG agenda. > If, in the future, there is sufficient interest (i.e. at least two > independent participants to develop the spec and implementations), > then this can be brought back on the agenda. > > > > J4.1 Data Model 3.1 (Andy) > > J4.1.0 Internal working draft > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-datamodel-31/html/Overview.html <http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-datamodel-31/html/Overview.html> > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-datamodel-31/html/Overview-diff.html <http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-datamodel-31/html/Overview-diff.html> > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-datamodel-31/src/changes.txt <http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-datamodel-31/src/changes.txt> > > (none) > > > J4.2 Functions and Operators 3.1 (Mike Kay) > > J4.2.0 Internal working draft > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-functions-31/html/Overview.html <http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-functions-31/html/Overview.html> > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-functions-31/html/Overview-diff.html <http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-functions-31/html/Overview-diff.html> > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-functions-31/src/changes.txt <http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-functions-31/src/changes.txt> > > > J4.2.1 Bug 29951 - [FO31] fn-transform "saved" > https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29951 <https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29951> MikeKay: gave background to problem. New proposal in comment 11. Josh: Think it sounds good. questioned the last paragraph. Might need defining in more details. ACTION A-662-02: MikeKay to make change proposed in comment 11 of Bug 29951. > > > Status: Ready to discuss; See proposal in comment #11 > > > > J4.3 Serialization 3.1 (Michael Sperberg-McQueen, Andy) > > J4.3.0 Internal working draft > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xslt-xquery-serialization-31/html/Overview.html <http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xslt-xquery-serialization-31/html/Overview.html> > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xslt-xquery-serialization-31/html/Overview-diff.html <http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xslt-xquery-serialization-31/html/Overview-diff.html> > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xslt-xquery-serialization-31/src/changes.txt <http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xslt-xquery-serialization-31/src/changes.txt> > > (none) > > > J4.4 XPath 3.1 (Jonathan) > > J4.4.0 Internal working draft > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xpath-31.html <http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xpath-31.html> > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xpath-31-diff.html <http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xpath-31-diff.html> > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/src/changes.txt <http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/src/changes.txt> > > (none) > > > J4.5 Grammar Test Applets (Michael Dyck) > > (none) > > > J4.6 QT3 test suite (O'Neil) > > J4.6.1 Status report on test suite, harness, tools ## Discussion on bug https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29789 <https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29789> ## See comment 2. ## ACTION A-662-03: MikeKay to make the change mentioned in comment 2 of the Bug 29789 - to add note to FO spec. ## Discussion on bug https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29952 <https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29952> ## Mike disagrees with TimMills. See comment 1. ## WG agrees that we should close bug with 'works for me’. ## DECISION Working Group agreed to close bug 29952 with ‘works for me’. See agenda item J4.6.1 ## Discussed https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29932 <https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29932> ## ACTION A-662-04: MikeKay to investigate bug 29932 ## Discussion on the QT3 test suite reports. Andy raised concerns about what happens when we have new test cases added, which gets combined with the reporting on old test results. ## Andy asked how do we version the QT3 test suite ## O’Neil: Do an export and zip up the files ## Liam: Tagging CVS to version the QT3 test suite ## Josh/Mike: Said we could create an exception list of tests that have bugs against them or were created past the date of the last submission. ## Jonathan: Reports and test suite to sync on a date. ## Liam: Most of the new test are edge cases. May need to change the stylesheet to remove red from the reports if it is not major problem. ## Michael Spr-McQn: Likes the idea of a flag or exception list rather than removing the test case from the test suite. ## Jonathan/O’Neil: To have a white list of test cases in the test suite report. ## ACTION A-662-05: O’Neil/Mike to propose a way to version the QT3 test suite and Generate white list. > > > J4.6.2 Status of 3.1 tests results > > Status: Currently five implementers submitted results > > > > J5. Progression of Work > > J5.1 XQuery 3.1, XQueryX 3.1, XPath 3.1, XDM 3.1, F&O 3.1, Serialization 3.1 > > J5.1.1 Current status > > * In Candidate Recommendation > > * Potential coordination of dates with XSLT 3.0 > > > J5.1.2 Dependencies inhibiting progression > > * Detailed review of specifications by WG > > Participant assigned to each document for detailed review > - XDM 3.1 - Liam/Andy - completed > - XPath 3.1 - Mike Kay - completed > - F&O 3.1 - Abel - completed > - Serialization 3.1 - Tim - completed > - XQuery 3.1 - Josh > - XQueryX 3.1 - Andy - completed > > > * Formal response to all comments, responses accepted by commenters > > * PR Transition Request and authorization, PR pub request > > * REC Transition Request and authorization, REC pub request ## Discussed the HTML5 work. Josh and Andy have had a few issues on styling of the spec. ## Josh: Have had issues with the formatting of the tables in the spec. Grammar font sizes have changed - now are bigger and not as tidy. ## Mike: Try default tables first. Found custom XML for table more useful. ## mdyck: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016Nov/0043.html <https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016Nov/0043.html> ## Editors to use this pub rules tools: https://www.w3.org/pubrules/ <https://www.w3.org/pubrules/> > > > J5.1.3 Vote to progress to PR > > Status: Ready to discuss ## Not ready today. But would like to do this next week. > > > J5.2 Update 3.0 > > J5.2.1 Current Status > > * In Last Call Working Draft > > At XML Prague, Liam talked to a few people about XQuery Update but found no great enthusiasm for doing the work. We cannot progress without plans for a test suite and potential implementers. The WG needs to decide what to do with this spec. > > Status: Ready to discuss > > > > J5.2.2 Require owner of XQUF 3.0 Test Suite > > > J5.2.3 Dependencies inhibiting progression > > * CR Transition Request and authorization, CR pub request > > * Completion of test suite minimum-required-to-declare-victory > > * Sufficient implementation experience and reports thereof > > * Formal response to all comments, responses accepted by commenters > > * PR Transition Request and authorization, PR pub request > > * REC Transition Request and authorization, REC pub request > > > > J6. Any other business > > J6.1 Consideration of future work > > J6.1.1 QT 3.2 > > The WGs decided that we will finish the 3.1 documents presently under way, > but undertake no new work. Maintenance work should be planned upon for a > period of time after finishing the specifications. > > > J6.1.2 FT 3.1 > > Currently inadequate interest and resources > > > J6.1.3 Update 3.1 > > Currently inadequate interest and resources > > > > J7. Adjourn > > > > > ======================= > XML Query Working Group > ======================= > > Q1. The XML Query WG does not intend to maintains specs earlier than the > 3.0 suite of documents; when the 3.1 suite reaches Recommendation, > maintenance of the 3.0 documents will be terminated. > > Q1.0 This agenda item is reserved for reporting errors and other > problems reported against the 3.0 (later, 3.1) XML Query WG suite of > specifications. > > > Q1.1 Bugzilla Bugs filed against the 3.0 suite of XML Query WG documents > > (none) > > > > Q2. Active Specification Development > > Q2.1 XQuery Update Facility 3.0 (John) > > Q2.1.0 Internal working draft > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-update-30/html/Overview.html <http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-update-30/html/Overview.html> > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-update-30/html/Overview-diff.html <http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-update-30/html/Overview-diff.html> > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-update-30/src/changes.txt <http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-update-30/src/changes.txt> > > * The WG needs to obtain implementation experience with this document. > > > Q2.2 XQuery Update Facility 3.0 Requirements and Use Cases (Andy) > See > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/requirements/xquery-update-30/html/Overview.html <http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/requirements/xquery-update-30/html/Overview.html> > > * The WGs need to be certain that this document is completed > (red/yellow/green bullets on requirements, all the use cases intended to > be published) and a decision made to advance it to WG Note. > > > Q2.3 XQuery 3.1 (Jonathan) > > Q2.3.0 Internal working draft > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xquery-31.html <http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xquery-31.html> > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xquery-31-diff.html <http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xquery-31-diff.html> > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/src/changes.txt <http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/src/changes.txt> > > (none) > > > Q2.4 XQueryX 3.1 (Josh) > > Q2.4.0 Internal working draft > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xqueryx-31/html/Overview.html <http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xqueryx-31/html/Overview.html> > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xqueryx-31/html/Overview-diff.html <http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xqueryx-31/html/Overview-diff.html> > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xqueryx-31/src/changes.txt <http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xqueryx-31/src/changes.txt> > > (none) > > > Q3. Test Suite Development > > Q3.1 Update Facility 3.0 Test Suite (????) > > * Need test suite developer/manager > > * Need tests > > > > Q4. Any other business > > > > Q5. Adjourn > > > > > Unless stated otherwise above: > IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number 741598. > Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU
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