REVISED DRAFT XML Query/XSL WG Joint Teleconference #619 Agenda 2015-10-06

REVISED DRAFT XML Query/XSL WG Joint Teleconference #619 Agenda 2015-10-06


Andy will chair this meeting.

PLEASE SEND CORRECTIONS AND ADDITIONS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE SO A REVISED 
AGENDA CAN BE PREPARED IN A TIMELY MANNER!

Changes in this agenda:

Updated action item status


This week, I'd like us to work on the following items:
J4.7
J4.9
Q2.3



Key:
J = Joint Query/XSLT meeting;
Q = Query-only meeting


Teleconference connection details
---------------------------------

(Member only)
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-xsl-query/2015Sep/0014.html



SUMMARY OF DECISIONS
====================
Note to secretary: Please insert a summary of all decisions made during 
this teleconference at this location in the minutes.

Decisions MUST be clear as to their complete intent.  The subject of the 
decision should *not* require dereferencing; it is most helpful if 
agenda numbers and bug numbers are accompanied by their titles.  If a 
decision is recorded about the resolution of a bug, the decision must 
state exactly what the resolution is (e.g., "Accept the solution in 
comment #5", or "Replace the production for XXX with this: <new 
production>", or the like.  It should be possible to read a decision 
months later and be certain what it meant and whether or not it was 
properly applied.


NEW ACTION ITEMS
================
Note to secretary: Please insert all new action items assigned during 
this teleconference at this location in the minutes.

Action items MUST make sense even when they are viewed standalone (that 
is, not read in the context of the agenda item where they were 
assigned).  This explicitly requires that all referents (e.g., "this", 
"that") be made clear.  Action items such as "Ralph to resolve this 
problem" are DISALLOWED.  It takes a scribe only a few additional 
minutes to ensure that action items are clear, while it takes the entire 
WG considerable effort to constantly research the meaning of unclear 
action items.  The subject of the action item should *not* require 
dereferencing; it is most helpful if agenda numbers and bug numbers are 
accompanied by their titles.



===================================================
Joint XML Query Working Group and XSL Working Group
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J1. Administrative Items

J1.1 Selection of secretary(s)

Adam has been asked to take the minutes. Liam has been asked to stand by.


NOTE: The chair will confirm the secretary prior to the start of the 
meeting.


Most recent secretaries (least-recent participants first):
----------------------------------------------------------
(This list identifies the most recent three occasions when each 
participant acted as Secretary for the Task Force.  The person whose 
name is at the top of the list should plan to take the minutes at the 
meeting identified by this agenda; if that person is unavailable, then 
the job will fall to the next person on the list, etc.

Adam Retter         - 2015-04-21, 2015-01-20, 2014-09-23
Michael Sprbrg-McQn - 2015-06-09, 2015-03-03, 2014-11-25
Liam Quin           - 2015-06-16, 2015-03-10, 2014-10-27
O'Neil Delpratt     - 2015-06-23, 2015-03-17, 2014-12-02
Mike Kay            - 2015-07-15, 2015-04-14, 2015-01-06
John Snelson        - 2015-07-16, 2015-06-02, 2015-02-11
Loren Cahlander     - 2015-07-17, 2015-05-19, 2015-02-10
Michael Dyck        - 2015-09-01, 2015-03-31, 2014-12-16
Josh Spiegel        - 2015-09-08, 2015-03-24, 2014-12-09
Tim Mills           - 2015-09-15, 2015-04-21, 2015-02-03
Norm Walsh          - 2015-09-22, 2015-05-05, 2015-01-27
Jonathan Robie      - 2015-10-29, 2015-05-12, 2015-01-13



J1.2 Call the Roll -- NOT DONE DURING TELECONFERENCE

Note to secretary: During the meeting, take a note of the Webex 
participants, then list in the minutes those present and those who sent 
regrets.  All others will be presumed to have been absent without regrets.


XML Query WG membership list: 
http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=18797&order=org

XSL WG membership list: 
http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=19552&order=org


Regrets:




J1.3 Approval of agenda

J1.3.1 Additions, deletions, or corrections?



J1.4 Review of recent minutes and administrative items

J1.4.1 Minutes of meeting #618 (Jonathan)
NOT YET POSTED



J1.5 Review of action items

NOTE: Please be prepared to respond quickly on your action items!

J1.5.1 Outstanding action items


ACTION A-579-18: Jonathan to write change proposal to support update of
maps and arrays.  (See agenda item Q2.1.1)

Status: Pending; ETA 2015-11-24


ACTION A-585-04: Jonathan to write a concrete proposal for XQuery Update
3.1 that makes preservation of node identity implementation defined at
the persistence layer.
See https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-xsl-query/2014Nov/0012.html

Status: Pending; ETA 2015-11-24


ACTION A-613-26: Norm Walsh to replace the text in XDM 3.1 section
17.1 by implementing the changes from comment 6 of bug 28795. 
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=28795#c6

Status: Pending; ETA 2015-09-29


ACTION A-613-30: Jonathan Robie to editorially resolve bug
27059. Include the example of function coercion against a map item
from comment 4 of bug 27059. 
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27059#c4

Status: Pending; ETA 2015-10-06


ACTION A-614-01 on JRobie to work with Zed to build FT 3.1 docs before
checking them in.

Status: Pending; ETA 2015-09-29


ACTION A-614-13 on JRobie to propose wording to resolve Bug 29027.

Status: Pending; ETA 2015-10-06


ACTION A-616-02: Michael SpMQ to make changes to serialization 
specification detailed in 
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=26862

Status: Pending; ETA 2015-09-29


ACTION A-617-04: ETA 2015-09-29 Jonathan to write prose for the section
on string templates.

Status: Pending; ETA 2015-09-29


ACTION A-618-01: Loren to change the schema for serialization to allow
for EQNames.

Status: Pending; ETA not specified.


ACTION A-618-02 Mike to propose a resolution to
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=28845 comments #10-11.

Status: Pending; ETA not specified.


ACTION A-618-03 Mike to close 
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29044
and implement it in the specification.

Status: Pending; ETA not specified.


ACTION A-618-04 Mike to handle Bug 29145 editorially.

Status: Pending; ETA not specified.


ACTION A-618-05 Mike to suggest a resolution to Bug 29146.

Status: Pending; ETA not specified.


ACTION A-618-07 Jonathan to write text for string templates and add it
to the spec.

Status: Pending; ETA not specified.


ACTION A-618-08 O'Neil to add texts for fn:collection to support
results that are not nodes. One approach: the test suite specifies a query 
that returns a sequence
equivalent to the contents of a sequence, e.g.
<collection uri="my-collection" 
xpath="yes">unparsed-text-lines('xxx')!parse-json()</collection>

Status: Pending; ETA not specified.




J1.5.2 Completed action items


ACTION A-613-04 O'Neil to ensure that the use cases in the XQuery 3.1
requirements and use cases document are added to the QT3 test suite. 

Status: Closed; See
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2015Sep/0102.html


ACTION A-614-11 on JRobie re Bug 28966: make the change described in the 
bug
and mark the bug fixed.

Status: Closed;


ACTION A-616-01:  Loren to explain the changes he made to the 
serialization schema in response to Josh's email.

Status: Closed;


ACTION A-616-05: MikeK to add note to F&O offering more explanation in 
light of decision on Bug 20602 - [QT3TS] fn-resolve-uri-32.

Status: Closed; Reported in Bugzilla


ACTION A-616-06: MikeK to update specification in light of adoption of 
proposal in Comment #2 
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29009#c2

Status: Closed; Reported in Bugzilla


ACTION A-616-07: MikeK to update specification regarding J4.7.3 Bug 29024 
- fn:serialize needs clarification when method parameter set from a map 
and J4.7.4 Bug 29028 - fn:serialize should specify the required type for 
QNames-type with accepted proposal in 
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29024#c3

Status: Closed; Reported in Bugzilla


ACTION A-617-01 Jonathan to bring discussion of bug 29119 to the mailing 
list.

Status: Closed; See
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2015Sep/0109.html


ACTION A-617-02: Michael Dyck to write a grammar for string templates with 
names and delimiters he chooses.

Status: Closed;


ACTION A-618-06  MDyck to modify string template grammar to use
``[   .... `{  .... }`  ..... ]`` delimiters.

Status: Closed; See
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2015Oct/0005.html



J1.6 Update on related activities

J1.6.1 Update on XSLT WG activities (Sharon, MikeK)



J1.6.2 Update on EXPath/EXQuery CG activities (Loren)



J1.7 Future Meetings

J1.7.1 QT Meeting Schedule

[V43] Joint XML Query/XSL WG meeting schedule
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-xsl-query/2015Jul/0038.html


J1.7.2 Future F2F Meetings

J1.7.2.1 Other future F2F meetings

There is interest in a possible F2F in conjunction with XML Prague in
February 2016.


J2. Documents For Review

(none)



J3. Maintenance Issues

J3.0 The XML Query WG and XSLT WG do not intend to maintains specs 
earlier than the 3.0 suite of documents; when the 3.1 suite reaches 
Recommendation, maintenance of the 3.0 documents will be terminated.

This agenda item is reserved for reporting errors and other problems 
reported against the 3.0 (later, 3.1) suite of specifications.


J3.0.1 Concerns raised by the XSLT working group in regards to potential
completion delays of XSLT 3.0 if XPath 3.0 is made obsoleted by 3.1

Status: Pending the outcome of Abel's review of 3.0 bugs/errata.
        Any change to the status of the 3.0 specs requires explicit XSL WG
        consultation. 


J3.1 Bugzilla Bugs filed against the 3.0 suite of joint XML Query WG and 
XSLT WG documents

J3.1.1 Bugzilla Bug 24568, Is the type system really a lattice? Or just 
a partially ordered set?
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=24568

Status: Fixed in Data Model 3.1; not expected to be addressed in Data 
Model 3.0


J3.1.2 Bugzilla Bug 25231, [F+O 3.0 ONLY], ISO 8601, and XSD 1.1
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=25231

Status: Fixed in F&O 3.1; not expected to be addressed in F&O 3.0


J3.1.3 Bugzilla Bug 26788, [XPath30] XQuery-only errors in XPath 3.0 
specification, like XQST0134"
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=26788

Status: Fixed in XPath 3.1; not expected to be addressed in XPath 3.0



J4. Active Specification Development

J4.1 Full Text 3.0 (Jim)

J4.1.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-full-text-30/html/Overview.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-full-text-30/html/Overview-diff.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-full-text-30/src/changes.txt

(none)


J4.2 Full Text 3.0 Requirements and Use Cases (Jim)

J4.2.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/requirements/xpath-full-text-30/html/Overview.html

(none)



J4.3 Full Text 3.1 (Zed Zhou)

J4.1.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-full-text-31/html/Overview.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-full-text-31/html/Overview-diff.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-full-text-31/src/changes.txt

Zed Zhou should prepare a draft of this document with at least some 
technical changes (relative to Full Text 3.0) already made so the WGs 
can consider if they like the direction.



J4.4 Full Text 3.1 Requirements and Use Cases (Zed Zhou)

J4.4.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/requirements/xpath-full-text-31/html/Overview.html

Zed Zhou should prepare a draft of this document with the necessary 
requirements and at least some use cases for the WGs to consider.  We 
should spend significant time determining which requirements the WGs 
will accept.



J4.5 XPath and XQuery 3.1 Requirements and Use Cases (Jonathan)

J4.5.0 Internal working drafts
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/requirements/xquery-31/html/Overview.html

(none)


J4.6 Data Model 3.1 (Norm)

J4.6.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-datamodel-31/html/Overview.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-datamodel-31/html/Overview-diff.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-datamodel-31/src/changes.txt

(none)


J4.7 Functions and Operators 3.1 (Mike Kay)

J4.7.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-functions-31/html/Overview.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-functions-31/html/Overview-diff.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-functions-31/src/changes.txt


J4.7.1 Bug 28845 - fn:format-number, formatting rules for exponential
notation
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=28845

Status: Ready to discuss; See
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2015Sep/0008.html


J4.7.2 Bug 29146 - [FO31] fn:transform options update
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29146

Status: Ready to discuss


J4.7.3 Bug 29159 - [FO31] 14.2.1 fn:distinct-values
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29159

Status: Ready to discuss


J4.7.4 Bug 29164 - [FO31] format-number() with first argument 0
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29164

Status: Ready to discuss


J4.7.5 Bug 29172 - [FO31] Avoid anonymous types in schema for fn namespace
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29172

Status: Ready to discuss


J4.7.6 Bug 10795 - provide alternate results for K2-SeqDocFunc-7 and 
K2-SeqDocFunc-8
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10795

Status: Ready to discuss



J4.8 Serialization 3.1 (Michael Sperberg-McQueen, Andy)

J4.8.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xslt-xquery-serialization-31/html/Overview.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xslt-xquery-serialization-31/html/Overview-diff.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xslt-xquery-serialization-31/src/changes.txt

(none)



J4.9 XPath 3.1 (Jonathan)

J4.9.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xpath-31.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xpath-31-diff.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/src/changes.txt


J4.9.1 Bug 29119 - [XP31] xs:error always raises a type error
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29119

Status: Ready to discuss


J4.9.2 EXI 'changes' to JSON schema
See 
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2015Oct/0000.html

Status: Ready to discuss



J4.10 Grammar Test Applets (Michael Dyck)

J4.10.1 Bugzilla Bug 13796, [Applet30] \u escaped characters in grammar 
applets
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13796

Status: Pending



J4.11 QT3 test suite (O'Neil)

J4.11.1 Status report on test suite, harness, tools


J4.11.2 Status of 3.1 tests

Status: Coverage is almost complete.


J4.11.3 Publication of test suite.

Status: Ready to discuss



J4.12 FT 3.1 test suite (???)

* Need test suite developer/manager

* Need tests



J5. Progression of Work

J5.1 XSLT 3.0, XQuery 3.1, XQueryX 3.1, XPath 3.1, XDM 3.1, F&O 3.1, 
Serialization 3.1

J5.1.1 Current status

* In Candidate Recommendation; awaiting implementation reports


J5.1.2 Dependencies inhibiting progression

* Completion of test suite minimum-required-to-declare-victory

* Sufficient implementation experience and reports thereof

* Formal response to all comments, responses accepted by commenters

* PR Transition Request and authorization, PR pub request

* REC Transition Request and authorization, REC pub request


J5.2 Full Text 3.0

J5.2.1 Current Status

* Proposed Recommendation


J5.2.2 Dependencies inhibiting progression

* REC Transition Request and authorization, REC pub request


J5.3 Update 3.0

J5.3.1 Current Status

* In Last Call Working Draft


J5.3.2 Require owner of XQUF 3.0 Test Suite


J5.3.3 Dependencies inhibiting progression

* CR Transition Request and authorization, CR pub request

* Completion of test suite minimum-required-to-declare-victory

* Sufficient implementation experience and reports thereof

* Formal response to all comments, responses accepted by commenters

* PR Transition Request and authorization, PR pub request

* REC Transition Request and authorization, REC pub request



J6. Any other business

J6.1 Consideration of future work

J6.1.1 QT 3.2

The WGs decided that we will finish the 3.1 documents presently under way,
but undertake no new work. Maintenance work should be planned upon for a
period of time after finishing the specifications. 


J6.1.2 FT 3.1

EMC has expressed interest and is willing to provide resources


J6.1.3 Update 3.1

Unclear whether there is adequate interest or resources



J7. Adjourn




=======================
XML Query Working Group
=======================

Q1. The XML Query WG does not intend to maintains specs earlier than the 
3.0 suite of documents; when the 3.1 suite reaches Recommendation, 
maintenance of the 3.0 documents will be terminated.

Q1.0 This agenda item is reserved for reporting errors and other 
problems reported against the 3.0 (later, 3.1) XML Query WG suite of 
specifications.

Status: Pending completion of ACTION A-592-02.

Q1.1 Bugzilla Bugs filed against the 3.0 suite of XML Query WG documents

(none)



Q2. Active Specification Development

Q2.1 XQuery Update Facility 3.0 (John)

Q2.1.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-update-30/html/Overview.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-update-30/html/Overview-diff.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-update-30/src/changes.txt

* The WG needs to obtain implementation experience with this document.


Q2.2 XQuery Update Facility 3.0 Requirements and Use Cases (Andy)
See 
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/requirements/xquery-update-30/html/Overview.html

* The WGs need to be certain that this document is completed 
(red/yellow/green bullets on requirements, all the use cases intended to 
be published) and a decision made to advance it to WG Note.


Q2.3 XQuery 3.1 (Jonathan)

Q2.3.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xquery-31.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xquery-31-diff.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/src/changes.txt


Q2.3.1 Bug 29027 - [qt3] contextDecl-022
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29027

Status: Pending completion of A-614-13


Q2.3.2 Bug 29170 - [XQ31] Function and Variable Annotations
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29170

Status: Ready to discuss


Q2.3.3 Bug 4378 - error in K2-NodeTest-21
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4378

Status: Ready to discuss



Q2.4 XQueryX 3.1 (Josh)

Q2.4.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xqueryx-31/html/Overview.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xqueryx-31/html/Overview-diff.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xqueryx-31/src/changes.txt

(none)



Q3. Test Suite Development

Q3.1 Update Facility 3.0 Test Suite (????)

* Need test suite developer/manager

* Need tests 



Q4. Any other business



Q5. Adjourn



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