- From: Michael Dyck <jmdyck@ibiblio.org>
- Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 14:01:47 -0500
- To: public-xsl-query@w3.org
Minutes of XML Query/XSL WG Joint Teleconference #624, 2015-11-17 > > Andy will chair this meeting. > > PLEASE SEND CORRECTIONS AND ADDITIONS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE SO A REVISED > AGENDA CAN BE PREPARED IN A TIMELY MANNER! > > Changes in this agenda: > > * Added vote to re-publish CR of XPath 3.1 to keep it in-sync with XQuery > > > This week, I'd like us to work on the following items: > J4.7 > J4.8 > J4.9 > > J5.1.3 - Vote to re-publish Serialization 3.1 as CR > J5.1.4 - Vote to re-publish XPath 3.1 as CR > > > Key: > J = Joint Query/XSLT meeting; > Q = Query-only meeting > > > Teleconference connection details > --------------------------------- > > (Member only) > https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-xsl-query/2015Sep/0014.html > > > > SUMMARY OF DECISIONS > ==================== > Note to secretary: Please insert a summary of all decisions made during > this teleconference at this location in the minutes. > > Decisions MUST be clear as to their complete intent. The subject of the > decision should *not* require dereferencing; it is most helpful if > agenda numbers and bug numbers are accompanied by their titles. If a > decision is recorded about the resolution of a bug, the decision must > state exactly what the resolution is (e.g., "Accept the solution in > comment #5", or "Replace the production for XXX with this: <new > production>", or the like. It should be possible to read a decision > months later and be certain what it meant and whether or not it was > properly applied. DECISION: Re Bug 29269 ([FO31] map:for-each still mentions map:for-each-entry): Can be fixed by editor. DECISION: Re Bug 29266 (Incorrect example for array:sort): The example needs to be corrected. DECISION: Re Bug 29217 ([SER31] Serialization of newlines): Accept MSM's proposal in comment 10 of the bug. DECISION: re Bug 29272 ([SER31] Adaptive Serialization of items other than nodes) and Bug 29273 ([SER31] Adaptive Serialization: serialization of strings, result of fn:string): Accept the changes proposed by Andy. DECISION: WG voted unanimously to publish Serialization 3.1 as revised CR. DECISION: WG voted unanimously to publish XPath 3.1 as revised CR. > NEW ACTION ITEMS > ================ > Note to secretary: Please insert all new action items assigned during > this teleconference at this location in the minutes. > > Action items MUST make sense even when they are viewed standalone (that > is, not read in the context of the agenda item where they were > assigned). This explicitly requires that all referents (e.g., "this", > "that") be made clear. Action items such as "Ralph to resolve this > problem" are DISALLOWED. It takes a scribe only a few additional > minutes to ensure that action items are clear, while it takes the entire > WG considerable effort to constantly research the meaning of unclear > action items. The subject of the action item should *not* require > dereferencing; it is most helpful if agenda numbers and bug numbers are > accompanied by their titles. ACTION A-624-01 on MKay to apply the fix for Bug 29269 ([FO31] map:for-each still mentions map:for-each-entry). ACTION A-624-02 on MKay to correct the example noted in Bug 29266 (Incorrect example for array:sort). ACTION A-624-03 on O'Neil to fix test suite re bug 29249 (Serialization-text-11). ACTION A-624-04 on JRobie to evaluate comment 12 of Bug 29277 ([XP31] Evaluating function calls does not mention evaluation of dynamic or static function calls that have no FunctionBody) ACTION A-624-05 on Andy to request publication of Serialization 3.1 as revised CR. ACTION A-624-06 on Andy to request publication of XPath 3.1 as revised CR. ACTION A-624-07 on Andy to fix Bug 29116 ([FT30] old version numbers) and send request to publish Full Text 3.0. > =================================================== > Joint XML Query Working Group and XSL Working Group > =================================================== > > > J1. Administrative Items > > J1.1 Selection of secretary(s) > > John Snelson has been asked to take the minutes. Loren has been asked to > stand by. Michael Dyck scribed. > NOTE: The chair will confirm the secretary prior to the start of the > meeting. > > > Most recent secretaries (least-recent participants first): > ---------------------------------------------------------- > (This list identifies the most recent three occasions when each > participant acted as Secretary for the Task Force. The person whose > name is at the top of the list should plan to take the minutes at the > meeting identified by this agenda; if that person is unavailable, then > the job will fall to the next person on the list, etc. > > John Snelson - 2015-07-16, 2015-06-02, 2015-02-11 > Loren Cahlander - 2015-07-17, 2015-05-19, 2015-02-10 > Josh Spiegel - 2015-09-08, 2015-03-24, 2014-12-09 > Tim Mills - 2015-09-15, 2015-04-21, 2015-02-03 > Norm Walsh - 2015-09-22, 2015-05-05, 2015-01-27 > Jonathan Robie - 2015-10-29, 2015-05-12, 2015-01-13 > Liam Quin - 2015-10-06, 2015-06-16, 2015-03-10 > Adam Retter - 2015-10-20, 2015-04-21, 2015-01-20 > O'Neil Delpratt - 2015-10-27, 2015-06-23, 2015-03-17 > Michael Sprbrg-McQn - 2015-10-03, 2015-06-09, 2015-03-03 > Mike Kay - 2015-11-10, 2015-07-15, 2015-04-14 > Michael Dyck - 2015-11-17, 2015-09-01, 2015-03-31 > > > > J1.2 Call the Roll -- NOT DONE DURING TELECONFERENCE > > Note to secretary: During the meeting, take a note of the Webex > participants, then list in the minutes those present and those who sent > regrets. All others will be presumed to have been absent without regrets. Andy Coleman Carine Bournez (for about the first 30 minutes) Jonathan Robie Josh Spiegel Liam Quin Michael Dyck Michael Kay Michael Sperberg-McQueen (for about the first 40 minutes) Norman Walsh O'Neil Delpratt Tim Mills > XML Query WG membership list: > http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=18797&order=org > > XSL WG membership list: > http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=19552&order=org > > > Regrets: None. > J1.3 Approval of agenda > > J1.3.1 Additions, deletions, or corrections? None. > J1.4 Review of recent minutes and administrative items > > J1.4.1 Minutes of meeting #623 (Mike Kay) > https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2015Nov/0033.html No changes. > J1.5 Review of action items > > NOTE: Please be prepared to respond quickly on your action items! > > J1.5.1 Outstanding action items > > > ACTION A-579-18: Jonathan to write change proposal to support update of > maps and arrays. (See agenda item Q2.1.1) > > Status: Pending; ETA 2015-11-24 > > > ACTION A-585-04: Jonathan to write a concrete proposal for XQuery Update > 3.1 that makes preservation of node identity implementation defined at > the persistence layer. > See https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-xsl-query/2014Nov/0012.html > > Status: Pending; ETA 2015-11-24 > > > ACTION A-618-01: Loren to change the schema for serialization to allow > for EQNames. > > Status: Pending; ETA not specified. Loren is leaving the WG, so we need to reassign the action item. Reassign to Serialization editors. Josh: Also make sure to handle the related whitespace normalization issues. See https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=28948 ([QT3TS] K2-Serialization-29: whitespace in option declarations) > ACTION A-622-02: Josh Spiegel to propose changes to XQueryX to support > new grammar for empty expressions in braces and return to group with a > proposal. > > Status: Pending; ETA not specified. ETA: Dec 1 > ACTION A-622-03: MSM and AC (as serialization editors) to draft an > editorial proposal to resolve 29217 without substantive change to the > spec. > > Status: Pending; ETA 2015-11-17 MSM: Proposal written up in bug, which is on agenda, so we'll get to it. Close the action. > ACTION A-622-04: MK to apply the changes outlined in comment 1 of bug > 29227 (Partially-defined focus) to the F and O spec. > > Status: Pending; ETA 2015-11-17 MKay: Not done yet, one more week please. new ETA: Nov 24 > ACTION A-623-01 Andy to do what's needed to republish the XQuery CR. > > Status: Pending; ETA not specified. Andy: Updated status + dates. We should also publish XPath to keep them in sync. Leave the action item open. > ACTION A-623-03 on the Serialization editors to add a note to the spec > explaining the decision on bug 29270 > > Status: Pending; ETA not specified. MSM: Proposal in bug. Let's do it when we get to J4.8. Close the action. > J1.5.2 Completed action items > > > ACTION A-619-01: Liam to add links to new mailing list onto XQuery group > page > > Status: Closed; See > https://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Query > > > ACTION A-621-04: Jonathan to update the words in XQuery for empty > expressions in braces > > Status: Closed; See > https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2015Nov/0036.html > > > ACTION A-622-06: JR to make the change proposed by Michael Dyck in comment > 1 of > Bug 29246 ([XQ31] context item declarations) and then close the bug. > > Status: Closed; See > https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2015Nov/0031.html > > > ACTION A-622-08: JR to change the words of the XQuery spec to > implement item (C) of bug 29225 [XQ31] Pragma in no namespace. > > Status: Closed; See > https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2015Nov/0030.html > > > ACTION A-623-02 Andy to contact Christian Grün again about his willingness > to commit effort to XQuery Update. > > Status: Closed; Sent a private note. > > > ACTION A-623-04 on the Serialization editors to make a proposal as to how > bug 29272 should be resolved. > > Status: Closed; See > https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2015Nov/0035.html > > > ACTION A 623-05 on the Serialization editors to make a proposal as to how > bug 29273 should be resolved. > > Status: Closed; See > https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2015Nov/0035.html > > > ACTION A-623-06 Jonathan Robie to add to the spec a note along the lines > suggested by Christian in bug 29260 > > Status: Closed; See > https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2015Nov/0037.html > > > > J1.6 Update on related activities > > J1.6.1 Update on XSLT WG activities (Sharon, MikeK) Had director's call, going to CR. > J1.6.2 Update on EXPath/EXQuery CG activities (Loren) > > > > J1.7 Future Meetings > > J1.7.1 QT Meeting Schedule > > [V43] Joint XML Query/XSL WG meeting schedule > https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-xsl-query/2015Jul/0038.html We'll take next week off, meet again Dec 1. > J1.7.2 Future F2F Meetings > > J1.7.2.1 Other future F2F meetings We had hoped to build a F2F around Update. Christian Gruen will have things to say about Update, but doubts he could attend a F2F. > J2. Documents For Review > > (none) > > > > J3. Maintenance Issues > > J3.0 The XML Query WG and XSLT WG do not intend to maintains specs > earlier than the 3.0 suite of documents; when the 3.1 suite reaches > Recommendation, maintenance of the 3.0 documents will be terminated. > > This agenda item is reserved for reporting errors and other problems > reported against the 3.0 (later, 3.1) suite of specifications. > > > J3.0.1 Concerns raised by the XSLT working group in regards to potential > completion delays of XSLT 3.0 if XPath 3.0 is made obsoleted by 3.1 > > Status: Pending the outcome of Abel's review of 3.0 bugs/errata. > Any change to the status of the 3.0 specs requires explicit XSLWG > consultation. > > > J3.1 Bugzilla Bugs filed against the 3.0 suite of joint XML Query WG and > XSLT WG documents > > J3.1.1 Bugzilla Bug 24568, Is the type system really a lattice? Or just > a partially ordered set? > http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=24568 > > Status: Fixed in Data Model 3.1; not expected to be addressed in Data > Model 3.0 > > > J3.1.2 Bugzilla Bug 25231, [F+O 3.0 ONLY], ISO 8601, and XSD 1.1 > http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=25231 > > Status: Fixed in F&O 3.1; not expected to be addressed in F&O 3.0 > > > J3.1.3 Bugzilla Bug 26788, [XPath30] XQuery-only errors in XPath 3.0 > specification, like XQST0134" > https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=26788 > > Status: Fixed in XPath 3.1; not expected to be addressed in XPath 3.0 > > > > J4. Active Specification Development > > J4.1 Full Text 3.0 (Jim) > > J4.1.0 Internal working draft > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-full-text-30/html/Overview.html > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-full-text-30/html/Overview-diff.html > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-full-text-30/src/changes.txt > > (none) > > > J4.2 Full Text 3.0 Requirements and Use Cases (Jim) > > J4.2.0 Internal working draft > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/requirements/xpath-full-text-30/html/Overview.html > > (none) > > > > J4.3 Full Text 3.1 (Zed Zhou) > > J4.1.0 Internal working draft > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-full-text-31/html/Overview.html > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-full-text-31/html/Overview-diff.html > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-full-text-31/src/changes.txt > > Zed Zhou should prepare a draft of this document with at least some > technical changes (relative to Full Text 3.0) already made so the WGs > can consider if they like the direction. > > > > J4.4 Full Text 3.1 Requirements and Use Cases (Zed Zhou) > > J4.4.0 Internal working draft > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/requirements/xpath-full-text-31/html/Overview.html > > Zed Zhou should prepare a draft of this document with the necessary > requirements and at least some use cases for the WGs to consider. We > should spend significant time determining which requirements the WGs > will accept. > > > > J4.5 XPath and XQuery 3.1 Requirements and Use Cases (Jonathan) > > J4.5.0 Internal working drafts > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/requirements/xquery-31/html/Overview.html > > (none) > > > J4.6 Data Model 3.1 (Norm) > > J4.6.0 Internal working draft > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-datamodel-31/html/Overview.html > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-datamodel-31/html/Overview-diff.html > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-datamodel-31/src/changes.txt > > (none) > > > J4.7 Functions and Operators 3.1 (Mike Kay) > > J4.7.0 Internal working draft > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-functions-31/html/Overview.html > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-functions-31/html/Overview-diff.html > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-functions-31/src/changes.txt > > > J4.7.1 Bug 29146 - [FO31] fn:transform options update > https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29146 > > Status: Pending outcome of XSL WG's discussion on this. > > > J4.7.2 Bug 29269 - [FO31] map:for-each still mentions map:for-each-entry > https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29269 > > Status: Ready to discuss. Decision: The fix is editorial. Action A-624-01 on MKay to apply the fix. > J4.7.3 Bug 29266 - Incorrect example for array:sort > https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29266 > > Status: Ready to discuss. Decision: The example should be corrected. Action A-624-02 on MKay to correct the example. > J4.8 Serialization 3.1 (Michael Sperberg-McQueen, Andy) > > J4.8.0 Internal working draft > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xslt-xquery-serialization-31/html/Overview.html > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xslt-xquery-serialization-31/html/Overview-diff.html > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xslt-xquery-serialization-31/src/changes.txt > > > J4.8.1 Bug 29217 - [SER31] Serialization of newlines > https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29217 > > Status: Pending completion of A-622-03 Decision: Accept MSM's proposal in comment 10 of the bug. Action A-624-03 on O'Neil to fix test suite re bug 29249. > J4.8.2 Bug 29272 - [SER31] Adaptive Serialization of items other than > nodes > https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29272 > > Status: Ready to discuss; See proposal: > https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2015Nov/0035.html > > > J4.8.3 Bug 29273 - [SER31] Adaptive Serialization: serialization of > strings, result of fn:string > > Status: Ready to discuss; Proposal combined with previous agenda item. (We considered the two agenda items / bugs at the same time.) Andy reviews changes to "Adaptive Output Method" section of spec. No objections to changes Decision: accepted. Close two bugs. NEW AGENDA ITEM: J4.8.4 Bug 29296 - [SER31] Adaptive Method, Error Recovery https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29296 Andy changes bug to editorial. > J4.9 XPath 3.1 (Jonathan) > > J4.9.0 Internal working draft > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xpath-31.html > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xpath-31-diff.html > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/src/changes.txt > > > J4.9.1 Bug 29277 - [XP31] Evaluating function calls does not mention > evaluation of dynamic or static function calls that have no FunctionBody > https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29277 > > Status: Ready to discuss We believe this is editorial. Action A-624-04 on JRobie to evaluate comment 12 of the bug. > J4.10 Grammar Test Applets (Michael Dyck) > > J4.10.1 Bugzilla Bug 13796, [Applet30] \u escaped characters in grammar > applets > http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13796 > > Status: Pending > > > > J4.11 QT3 test suite (O'Neil) > > J4.11.1 Status report on test suite, harness, tools > > > J4.11.2 Status of 3.1 tests > > Status: Coverage is almost complete. > > > J4.11.3 Publication of test suite. > > Status: Ready to discuss > > > > J4.12 FT 3.1 test suite (???) > > * Need test suite developer/manager > > * Need tests > > > > J5. Progression of Work > > J5.1 XSLT 3.0, XQuery 3.1, XQueryX 3.1, XPath 3.1, XDM 3.1, F&O 3.1, > Serialization 3.1 > > J5.1.1 Current status > > * In Candidate Recommendation; awaiting implementation reports > > > J5.1.2 Dependencies inhibiting progression > > * Completion of test suite minimum-required-to-declare-victory > > * Sufficient implementation experience and reports thereof > > * Formal response to all comments, responses accepted by commenters > > * PR Transition Request and authorization, PR pub request > > * REC Transition Request and authorization, REC pub request > > > J5.1.3 Vote to publish Serialization 3.1 as revised Candidate > Recommendation > > Status: Ready to discuss Decision: WG voted unanimously to do so. Action A-624-05 on Andy to make the request. > J5.1.4 Vote to publish XPath 3.1 as revised Candidate Recommendation > > Status: Ready to discuss Decision: WG voted unanimously to do so. Action A-624-06 on Andy to make the request. > J5.2 Full Text 3.0 > > J5.2.1 Current Status > > * Proposed Recommendation MDyck points out open bug against FT 3.0: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29116 ([FT30] old version numbers) Action A-624-07 on Andy to fix that bug and send publication request. > J5.2.2 Dependencies inhibiting progression > > * REC Transition Request and authorization, REC pub request > > > J5.3 Update 3.0 > > J5.3.1 Current Status > > * In Last Call Working Draft > > > J5.3.2 Require owner of XQUF 3.0 Test Suite > > > J5.3.3 Dependencies inhibiting progression > > * CR Transition Request and authorization, CR pub request > > * Completion of test suite minimum-required-to-declare-victory > > * Sufficient implementation experience and reports thereof > > * Formal response to all comments, responses accepted by commenters > > * PR Transition Request and authorization, PR pub request > > * REC Transition Request and authorization, REC pub request > > > > J6. Any other business > > J6.1 Consideration of future work > > J6.1.1 QT 3.2 > > The WGs decided that we will finish the 3.1 documents presently under way, > but undertake no new work. Maintenance work should be planned upon fora > period of time after finishing the specifications. > > > J6.1.2 FT 3.1 > > EMC has expressed interest and is willing to provide resources > > > J6.1.3 Update 3.1 > > Unclear whether there is adequate interest or resources > > > > J7. Adjourn > > > > > ======================= > XML Query Working Group > ======================= > > Q1. The XML Query WG does not intend to maintains specs earlier than the > 3.0 suite of documents; when the 3.1 suite reaches Recommendation, > maintenance of the 3.0 documents will be terminated. > > Q1.0 This agenda item is reserved for reporting errors and other > problems reported against the 3.0 (later, 3.1) XML Query WG suite of > specifications. > > Status: Pending completion of ACTION A-592-02. > > Q1.1 Bugzilla Bugs filed against the 3.0 suite of XML Query WG documents > > (none) > > > > Q2. Active Specification Development > > Q2.1 XQuery Update Facility 3.0 (John) > > Q2.1.0 Internal working draft > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-update-30/html/Overview.html > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-update-30/html/Overview-diff.html > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-update-30/src/changes.txt > > * The WG needs to obtain implementation experience with this document. > > > Q2.2 XQuery Update Facility 3.0 Requirements and Use Cases (Andy) > See > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/requirements/xquery-update-30/html/Overview.html > > * The WGs need to be certain that this document is completed > (red/yellow/green bullets on requirements, all the use cases intended to > be published) and a decision made to advance it to WG Note. > > > Q2.3 XQuery 3.1 (Jonathan) > > Q2.3.0 Internal working draft > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xquery-31.html > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xquery-31-diff.html > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/src/changes.txt > > (none) > > > Q2.4 XQueryX 3.1 (Josh) > > Q2.4.0 Internal working draft > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xqueryx-31/html/Overview.html > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xqueryx-31/html/Overview-diff.html > http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xqueryx-31/src/changes.txt > > (none) > > > > Q3. Test Suite Development > > Q3.1 Update Facility 3.0 Test Suite (????) > > * Need test suite developer/manager > > * Need tests > > > > Q4. Any other business > > > > Q5. Adjourn
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