XML Query/XSL WG Joint Teleconference #623 Minutes 2015-11-10 from Michael Kay on 2015-11-11 (public-xsl-query@w3.org from November 2015)

From: Michael Kay <mike@saxonica.com>
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 15:14:13 +0000
To: Public Joint XSLT XQuery XPath <public-xsl-query@w3.org>
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XML Query/XSL WG Joint Teleconference #623 Minutes 2015-11-10

SUMMARY OF DECISIONS
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Note to secretary: Please insert a summary of all decisions made during
this teleconference at this location in the minutes.

Decisions MUST be clear as to their complete intent. The subject of the
decision should *not* require dereferencing; it is most helpful if
agenda numbers and bug numbers are accompanied by their titles. If a
decision is recorded about the resolution of a bug, the decision must
state exactly what the resolution is (e.g., "Accept the solution in
comment #5", or "Replace the production for XXX with this: <new
production>", or the like. It should be possible to read a decision
months later and be certain what it meant and whether or not it was
properly applied.

DECISION: resolve bug 29270 by documenting the expected behaviour that each time a node in the original sequence is serialized, if an XML declaration is requested, then you get a new one. (If you don't want that, don't ask for it). (May need to think what the precise rules are for example when a sequence of nodes appears as a value in a map.)

DECISION: close bug 4378 as "works for me".

DECISION: close bug 29260 as editorial, with an action on Jonathan to implement the change.

DECISION: close bug 29263 as "works for me".

DECISION: close bug 29264 as "won't fix".

NEW ACTION ITEMS
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Note to secretary: Please insert all new action items assigned during
this teleconference at this location in the minutes.

Action items MUST make sense even when they are viewed standalone (that
is, not read in the context of the agenda item where they were
assigned). This explicitly requires that all referents (e.g., "this",
"that") be made clear. Action items such as "Ralph to resolve this
problem" are DISALLOWED. It takes a scribe only a few additional
minutes to ensure that action items are clear, while it takes the entire
WG considerable effort to constantly research the meaning of unclear
action items. The subject of the action item should *not* require
dereferencing; it is most helpful if agenda numbers and bug numbers are
accompanied by their titles.

ACTION A-623-01 Andy to do what's needed to republish the XQuery CR.

ACTION A-623-02 Andy to contact Christian Grün again about his willingness to commit effort to XQuery Update.

ACTION A-623-03 on the Serialization editors to add a note to the spec explaining the decision on bug 29270

ACTION A-623-04 on the Serialization editors to make a proposal as to how bug 29272 should be resolved.

ACTION A 623-05 on the Serialization editors to make a proposal as to how bug 29273 should be resolved.

ACTION A-623-06 Jonathan Robie to add to the spec a note along the lines suggested by Christian in bug 29260

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Joint XML Query Working Group and XSL Working Group
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J1. Administrative Items

J1.1 Selection of secretary(s)

Mike Kay has been asked to take the minutes. John Snelson has been asked to stand by.

NOTE: The chair will confirm the secretary prior to the start of the
meeting.

Most recent secretaries (least-recent participants first):
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(This list identifies the most recent three occasions when each
participant acted as Secretary for the Task Force. The person whose
name is at the top of the list should plan to take the minutes at the
meeting identified by this agenda; if that person is unavailable, then
the job will fall to the next person on the list, etc.

Mike Kay - 2015-07-15, 2015-04-14, 2015-01-06
John Snelson - 2015-07-16, 2015-06-02, 2015-02-11
Loren Cahlander - 2015-07-17, 2015-05-19, 2015-02-10
Michael Dyck - 2015-09-01, 2015-03-31, 2014-12-16
Josh Spiegel - 2015-09-08, 2015-03-24, 2014-12-09
Tim Mills - 2015-09-15, 2015-04-21, 2015-02-03
Norm Walsh - 2015-09-22, 2015-05-05, 2015-01-27
Jonathan Robie - 2015-10-29, 2015-05-12, 2015-01-13
Liam Quin - 2015-10-06, 2015-06-16, 2015-03-10
Adam Retter - 2015-10-20, 2015-04-21, 2015-01-20
O'Neil Delpratt - 2015-10-27, 2015-06-23, 2015-03-17
Michael Sprbrg-McQn - 2015-10-03, 2015-06-09, 2015-03-03

J1.2 Call the Roll -- NOT DONE DURING TELECONFERENCE

Note to secretary: During the meeting, take a note of the Webex
participants, then list in the minutes those present and those who sent
regrets. All others will be presumed to have been absent without regrets.

Roll-call: Andy Coleman, Jonathan Robie, Josh Spiegel, John Snelson, Michael Dyck, O'Neil Delpratt, Michael Kay, Tim Mills, Michael Sperberg-McQueen.

XML Query WG membership list:
http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=18797&order=org

XSL WG membership list:
http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=19552&order=org

Regrets:

J1.3 Approval of agenda

§§ Jonathan referred to an email he was about to send...

J1.3.1 Additions, deletions, or corrections?

J1.4 Review of recent minutes and administrative items

J1.4.1 Minutes of meeting #621 (Michael Sperberg-McQueen)
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2015Nov/0011.html

§§ Accepted as a true record.

J1.5 Review of action items

NOTE: Please be prepared to respond quickly on your action items!

J1.5.1 Outstanding action items

ACTION A-579-18: Jonathan to write change proposal to support update of
maps and arrays. (See agenda item Q2.1.1)

Status: Pending; ETA 2015-11-24

ACTION A-585-04: Jonathan to write a concrete proposal for XQuery Update
3.1 that makes preservation of node identity implementation defined at
the persistence layer.
See https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-xsl-query/2014Nov/0012.html

Status: Pending; ETA 2015-11-24

ACTION A-618-01: Loren to change the schema for serialization to allow
for EQNames.