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RE: Hypermedia - Why

From: David Lee <David.Lee@marklogic.com>
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 08:56:34 -0700
To: David Carlisle <davidc@nag.co.uk>, "Rushforth, Peter" <Peter.Rushforth@NRCan-RNCan.gc.ca>
CC: "public-xmlhypermedia@w3.org" <public-xmlhypermedia@w3.org>
Message-ID: <EB42045A1F00224E93B82E949EC6675E16AFF175B4@EXCHG-BE.marklogic.com>
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> >> So I would say that the jury is still out and as yet no example
> >> has been shown where an application could use the proposed
> >> attributes.
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> > Why is it I feel my feet only touching by their toes?
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> sorry:-) but as shown in the parallel discussion over in micro-xml.
> It's best to understand the ground rules before starting. I'm only
> pushing you to provide examples as no one else is offering to provide
> them and I honestly can not come up with any myself.
> 

I currently hold (tentatively!) the same view.
As a Double-Straw man, consider Dublin Core.
DC is a set of predefined attributes intended to supply meaning (meta data) to a horizontal set of documents.  That of any published work.
I don't fully know its history but from what I do know it was published because the concept was in actuality being implemented by many different groups and they wanted to come together at a publisher and all mean the same thing.

My current view is a common Hypermedia set of attributes would serve the same purpose ... in theory.
But in practice is there in fact competing uses that would benifit from standardization ? 
This is a key argument against some kinds of current standardization groups.  In the WayBack there was first established practice which posed interoperability problems ... THEN standards were developed to level these so things could interact.
Now it is more common that standards are being invented when there was no prior work.  Most of these failed miserably due to lack of use.

So I still suggest we need   to start with concrete use cases, preferably ones that are existing and competing.
Or if not, use cases which are pending and we can do actual experiments with.





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