Minutes for XML Core WG telcon of 2014 March 5

Attendees
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Loren
Norm
Paul
Henry
Liam xx:13


[5 organizations (9 with proxies) present out of 10]

Regrets
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David, proxy to Paul
Jirka, proxy to the chair
Daniel, proxy to the chair
Mohamed, proxy to the chair


Absent organizations
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NACS (with regrets, proxy to Paul)
Innovimax (with regrets, proxy to the chair)
Red Hat (with regrets, proxy to the chair)
Jirka Kosek (with regrets, proxy to the chair)
John Cowan

Our next telcon is March 19.

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Our next telcon on March 19 falls in the period after which
North America has started daylight ("summer") hours but before
which the UK and Europe has.  Since our telcons are scheduled
on Boston time, our telcon of March 19 will occur one hour
*earlier* local time for those calling from the UK and Europe.

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> 1. Accepting the minutes from the last telcon [3] and
>   the current task status [2] (have any questions, comments,
>   or corrections ready by the beginning of the call).

Accepted.


>
>
> 2. Miscellaneous administrivia and document reviews.
>
> Time warp for next telcon
> -------------------------
> Our next telcon will be on March 19. This falls in the period
> after which North America has started daylight ("summer") hours
> but before which the UK and Europe has.  Since our telcons are
> scheduled on Boston time, our telcon of March 19 will occur one
> hour *earlier* local time for those calling from the UK and Europe.
>
>
> XML Potential Errata
> --------------------
> Comment that "or by the Byte Order Mark" is lacking in section 4.3.3:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-editor/2013OctDec/0002
>
> Comment that an entity cannot "begin" with a BOM as suggested in 
> section 4.3.3:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-editor/2013OctDec/0003
>
> ACTION to John and Henry: Review and comment on the above two comments
> on the discussion of BOMs in section 4.3.3 of the XML spec.

ACTION to John and Henry continued.


>
> ----
>
> Comment about documents with an "empty DTD":
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2014Jan/thread#msg8
> and
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-editor/2014JanMar/
>
> Henry suggests we could probably make the XML spec clearer here;
> see also his comments at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-editor/2014JanMar/0004
>
> Paul sent the WG response at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-editor/2014JanMar/0005
> and there was more back from the commentor at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-editor/2014JanMar/
>
> ACTION to all:  Read the new email and comment on our WG list.

ACTION to Henry: Read the post-February 6 email at
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-editor/2014JanMar/
and let us know what you think we should do.


>
>
> Submitting XML Schema 1.1 to ISO
> --------------------------------
> See also
> https://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xml-schema
>
> We have decided we will first publish XML Schema 1.1 2E (with
> approved errata). After that, we would send XML Schema 1.1 2E
> (only) to ISO.
>
> Loren has offered to do the editorial duties, and David
> talked to CMSMCQ about getting some more help in the details.
>
> ACTION to Loren and David: Produce a publication-ready version
> of XML Schema 1.1 2E incorporating the approved errata.
>
> It looks like there are 3 bugs for Structures, none for Datatypes,
> but after checking with Michael, he found
> https://www.w3.org/XML/Group/2004/06/xmlschema-1/structures.errata-2012.html
> which shows 8 errata items whereas bugzilla shows only 3.
>
> ACTION to the WG, but especially David: Discuss what changes
> should be made to produce XML Schema 1.1 2E.

We discussed
https://www.w3.org/XML/Group/2004/06/xmlschema-1/structures.errata-2012.html

Henry figures we can just publish this document.

Loren still needs to check with Michael that things
are appropriately checked in and, if so, we should
just push this document through the tool chain and
publish.

ACTION to Loren:  Communicate with Michael as necessary
and produce an XML Schema 1.1 2E document.


>
>
> Reviewing HTML5 Polyglot Markup
> -------------------------------
> We've been asked to review something at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2014Feb/0000
> though I'm requesting clarification at
> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/chairs/2014JanMar/0076
> about just what we've supposed to review.
>
> It's not clear just what we're being asked to review,
> but Norm has a copy of the spec and will review it.
>
> John didn't remember any issues.
>
> ACTION to Norm:  Review the HTML5 Polyglot Markup spec.


ACTION to Norm continued.


>
>
> 3.  XML Test Suite.
>
> See also http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xml-test-suite
>
>
> 4. LEIRIs--see http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#leiri
>
> We have planned to issue the following spec editions referencing
> LEIRIs (and any outstanding errata):
>
> * XML 1.0 6th Edition (John to be editor)
> * XML 1.1 3rd Edition (John to be editor)
> * XInclude 3rd Edition (Paul to be editor)
>
> but all this is on hold awaiting resolution of IRIbis.
>
>
> 5.  XML Media types (3023bis)
>
> See also http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xml-media
>
> Latest IETF draft was -07 dated February 6 at
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-appsawg-xml-mediatypes-07.html
>
> Paul resent a note of support for 3023bis at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2014Feb/0025
> and
> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/apps-discuss/current/msg11494.html
>
> There is now a February 23 draft at
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-appsawg-xml-mediatypes-08
> with a diff at
> http://www.w3.org/XML/2012/10/3023bis/draft-ietf-appsawg-xml-mediatypes-08_diff
> and a DoC at http://www.w3.org/XML/2012/10/3023bis/07-comments.html
> ...and finally a March 2 draft at
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-appsawg-xml-mediatypes-09
> (I could find no DoC or non-auto diff).
>
> [Henry, the first sentence of the last paragraph of section 2.2
> includes the phrase "are given names in in [UNICODE]"--note
> the extra "in".]
>
> Henry has asked for another email of support.


Paul so sent at
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2014Mar/0003
and
http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/apps-discuss/current/msg11550.html


>
>
> 6.  XInclude 1.1--see http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xinclude
>
> On 2012 February 14, we published
> XInclude 1.1 Requirement and Use Cases
> http://www.w3.org/TR/xinclude-11-requirements/
>
> On 9 October 2012, we published our FPWD of XInclude 1.1 at
> http://www.w3.org/XML/2012/10/WD-xinclude-11-20121009/
>
> On 15 January 2013, we published our (first) Last Call of
> XInclude 1.1 at
> http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/WD-xinclude-11-20130115/
> and Paul sent the transition announcement at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2013Jan/0012
> (also cc-ing the chairs mailing list).
> On 2013 October 8, we published the XInclude 1.1 CR at
> http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/CR-xinclude-11-20131008/
>
> Norm reports that Michael Kay's code just accesses Xerces code,
> so Norm might have to work with Xerces.
>
> DV reports that he is busy and so cannot commit to a deadline
> for adding XInclude 1.1 support to libxml.
>
> ACTION to Norm:  Continue to work toward getting XInclude 1.1
> implementations and document them in our implementation report.
> Some progress, but
> ACTION to Norm continued.
>
> Norm may see if he knows anyone still working on Xerces.


Norm is planning to write a SAX filter to implement XInclude 1.1.
He believes this will lead to a way for using XInclude 1.1 with
Saxon's XSLT processor and most any other Java based tool.


>
> Jirka may see if someone from Oxygen may help with the
> Xerces work.


Jirka reports that the oXygen folks don't have a level of commit
access to the Xerces code base to make such a change easily.


>
>
> 7. MicroXML
>
> MicroXML is not in our new charter, but we can discuss it.
> We will leave this as an ongoing item in our standing agenda.
>
>
> paul
>
> [1] http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core
> [2] http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#tasks
> [3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2014Feb/0008
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