Minutes for XML Core WG telcon of 2014 June 25

Attendees
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Norm
Paul
Liam xx:05
Loren
Jirka

[5 organizations (9 with proxies) present out of 10]

Regrets
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David, proxy to the chair
Henry, proxy to the chair
Daniel, proxy to the chair
Mohamed, proxy to the chair


Absent organizations
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NACS (with regrets, proxy to the chair)
Innovimax (with regrets, proxy to the chair)
U of Edinburgh (with regrets, proxy to the chair)
Red Hat (with regrets, proxy to the chair)
John Cowan
Jirka Kosek (with regrets, proxy to the chair)


Our next telcon should be July 9 (for which Henry gives regrets)
but see the first item under "Miscellaneous administrivia" below.


> 1. Accepting the minutes from the last telcon [3] and
>   the current task status [2] (have any questions, comments,
>   or corrections ready by the beginning of the call).
>

Accepted.


>
> 2. Miscellaneous administrivia and document reviews.


Paul suggests a change in the WG telcon scheduling process
as follows:

If there has been no email indication of any progress--or
any other email request to have a telcon on a scheduled
telcon day--by Monday of the telcon week, Paul will send
out a status report instead of a telcon agenda, and the
telcon for that week will be cancelled.

There were no objections to this plan from those on this telcon,
but Paul is soliciting thoughts/objections from all those in the WG.
Please send email to the list.


>
> XML Potential Errata
> --------------------
> Comment that "or by the Byte Order Mark" is lacking in section 4.3.3:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-editor/2013OctDec/0002
>
> Comment that an entity cannot "begin" with a BOM as suggested in 
> section 4.3.3:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-editor/2013OctDec/0003
>
> ACTION to John and Henry: Review and comment on the above two comments
> on the discussion of BOMs in section 4.3.3 of the XML spec.
>
> ----
>
> Comment about documents with an "empty DTD":
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2014Jan/thread#msg8
> and
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-editor/2014JanMar/
>
> Henry suggests we could probably make the XML spec clearer here;
> see also his comments at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-editor/2014JanMar/0004
>
> Paul sent the WG response at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-editor/2014JanMar/0005
> and there was more back from the commentor at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-editor/2014JanMar/
>
> ACTION to Henry: Read the post-February 6 email at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-editor/2014JanMar/
> and let us know what you think we should do.
>
>
> Submitting XML Schema 1.1 to ISO
> --------------------------------
> See also
> https://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xml-schema
>
> We have decided we will first publish XML Schema 1.1 2E (with
> approved errata). After that, we would send XML Schema 1.1 2E
> (only) to ISO.
>
> Loren has offered to do the editorial duties, and David
> talked to CMSMCQ about getting some more help in the details.
>
> It looks like there are 3 bugs for Structures, none for Datatypes,
> but after checking with Michael, he found
> https://www.w3.org/XML/Group/2004/06/xmlschema-1/structures.errata-2012.html
> which shows 8 errata items whereas bugzilla shows only 3.
>
> We discussed
> https://www.w3.org/XML/Group/2004/06/xmlschema-1/structures.errata-2012.html
>
> Henry figures we can just publish this document.
>
> Loren still needs to check with Michael that things
> are appropriately checked in and, if so, we should
> just push this document through the tool chain and
> publish.
>
> Paul and Loren have pinged Michael, but have not
> received a useful reply.
>
> ACTION to Loren:  Take another look at things and suggest
> a plan on how best to move forward without Michael's feedback.
>

Loren believes the latest document includes everything,
so the next step is to push it through the tool chain,
but that make take help from Henry or Michael.  Loren
will try to contact Michael again.

We will need a diff (or list of changes) and a test suite.
Loren says the diff is already available.

We need to see if any of the changes are normative.
It appears that none of the changes require a chance
in the test suite.

ACTION to Loren:  Check if any changes are normative and/or
would require a change to the test suite.


>
> Adding an xs:numeric type to XML Schema
> ---------------------------------------
> Norm sent email at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2014May/0007
> asking us what we think of the fact that the XSLT/XQuery WGs are
> considering adding a new union type to the xs: namespace, xs:numeric
> which would be a union of decimal, float, and double.
>
> Paul sent a reply at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2014May/0008
>
> We discussed this on our last telcon; Norm's email at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2014May/0013
> is a summary of the discussion and the latest on the subject to date.
>
> Henry has said he is agnostic about this; i.e. if Query want to do
> this, and no-one objects, no problem.

The WG has CONSENSUS to let Query define xs:numeric data type
in the XPath and XQuery Data Model spec.



>
>
> 3.  XML Test Suite.
>
> See also http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xml-test-suite
>
>
> 4. LEIRIs--see http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#leiri
>
> We have planned to issue the following spec editions referencing
> LEIRIs (and any outstanding errata):
>
> * XML 1.0 6th Edition (John to be editor)
> * XML 1.1 3rd Edition (John to be editor)
> * XInclude 3rd Edition (Paul to be editor)
>
> but all this is on hold awaiting resolution of IRIbis.
>
>
> 5.  XML Media types (3023bis)
>
> See also http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xml-media
>
> Latest IETF draft was -07 dated February 6 at
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-appsawg-xml-mediatypes-07.html
>
> Paul resent a note of support for 3023bis at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2014Feb/0025
> and
> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/apps-discuss/current/msg11494.html
>
> There is now a February 23 draft at
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-appsawg-xml-mediatypes-08
> with a diff at
> http://www.w3.org/XML/2012/10/3023bis/draft-ietf-appsawg-xml-mediatypes-08_diff
> and a DoC at http://www.w3.org/XML/2012/10/3023bis/07-comments.html
> ...and finally a March 2 draft at
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-appsawg-xml-mediatypes-09
> (I could find no DoC or non-auto diff).
>
> [Henry, the first sentence of the last paragraph of section 2.2
> includes the phrase "are given names in in [UNICODE]"--note
> the extra "in".]
>
> Paul has sent another WG email of support at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2014Mar/0003
> and
> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/apps-discuss/current/msg11550.html
>
> Henry reports that the IESG has tentatively approved the spec.
> There we many comments made, though none requiring substantive
> changes. Henry is creating the final draft of the final version.
>
> And Wendy Seltzer has acknowledged that the W3C is now the official
> change controller for all the XML related media type registrations.
>
>
> 6.  XInclude 1.1--see http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xinclude
>
> On 2012 February 14, we published
> XInclude 1.1 Requirement and Use Cases
> http://www.w3.org/TR/xinclude-11-requirements/
>
> On 9 October 2012, we published our FPWD of XInclude 1.1 at
> http://www.w3.org/XML/2012/10/WD-xinclude-11-20121009/
>
> On 15 January 2013, we published our (first) Last Call of
> XInclude 1.1 at
> http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/WD-xinclude-11-20130115/
> and Paul sent the transition announcement at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2013Jan/0012
> (also cc-ing the chairs mailing list).
> On 2013 October 8, we published the XInclude 1.1 CR at
> http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/CR-xinclude-11-20131008/
>
> Norm reports that Michael Kay's code just accesses Xerces code,
> so Norm might have to work with Xerces.
>
> DV reports that he is busy and so cannot commit to a deadline
> for adding XInclude 1.1 support to libxml.
>
> ACTION to Norm:  Continue to work toward getting XInclude 1.1
> implementations and document them in our implementation report.
>
> Note also the desire for another test case for the XInclude test suite per
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2014Apr/0000
> Norm may see if he knows anyone still working on Xerces.
>
> Norm is planning to write a SAX filter to implement XInclude 1.1.
> He believes this will lead to a way for using XInclude 1.1 with
> Saxon's XSLT processor and most any other Java based tool.
>
> 7. MicroXML
>
> MicroXML is not in our new charter, but we can discuss it.
> We will leave this as an ongoing item in our standing agenda.
>
>
> paul
>
> [1] http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core
> [2] http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#tasks
> [3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2014May/0014
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