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Agenda for XML Core WG telcon of 2014 June 25

From: Paul Grosso <paul@paulgrosso.name>
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 11:09:03 -0500
Message-ID: <53A8511F.1060205@paulgrosso.name>
To: core <public-xml-core-wg@w3.org>
We have an XML Core WG phone call scheduled for Wednesday,
June 25, from
08:30-09:00 Pacific time aka
11:30-12:00 Eastern time aka
15:30-16:00 UTC
16:30-17:00 in Ireland and the UK
17:30-18:00 in middle (most of) Europe
on the Zakim W3C Bridge, +1 617 761 6200, passcode 9652#.
We also use IRC channel #xmlcore on irc.w3.org:6665 .

See the XML Core group page [1] for pointers to current documents
and other information.  If you have additions to the agenda, please
email them to the WG list before the start of the telcon.

Please also review our group page's task list [2] for accuracy and
completeness and be prepared to amend if necessary and accept it
at the beginning of the call.

Regrets from David and Henry; Henry gives his proxy to the chair.

Henry also gives regrets for July 9.

1. Accepting the minutes from the last telcon [3] and
   the current task status [2] (have any questions, comments,
   or corrections ready by the beginning of the call).

2. Miscellaneous administrivia and document reviews.

XML Potential Errata
Comment that "or by the Byte Order Mark" is lacking in section 4.3.3:

Comment that an entity cannot "begin" with a BOM as suggested in section 

ACTION to John and Henry: Review and comment on the above two comments
on the discussion of BOMs in section 4.3.3 of the XML spec.


Comment about documents with an "empty DTD":

Henry suggests we could probably make the XML spec clearer here;
see also his comments at

Paul sent the WG response at
and there was more back from the commentor at

ACTION to Henry: Read the post-February 6 email at
and let us know what you think we should do.

Submitting XML Schema 1.1 to ISO
See also

We have decided we will first publish XML Schema 1.1 2E (with
approved errata).  After that, we would send XML Schema 1.1 2E
(only) to ISO.

Loren has offered to do the editorial duties, and David
talked to CMSMCQ about getting some more help in the details.

It looks like there are 3 bugs for Structures, none for Datatypes,
but after checking with Michael, he found
which shows 8 errata items whereas bugzilla shows only 3.

We discussed

Henry figures we can just publish this document.

Loren still needs to check with Michael that things
are appropriately checked in and, if so, we should
just push this document through the tool chain and

Paul and Loren have pinged Michael, but have not
received a useful reply.

ACTION to Loren:  Take another look at things and suggest
a plan on how best to move forward without Michael's feedback.

Adding an xs:numeric type to XML Schema
Norm sent email at
asking us what we think of the fact that the XSLT/XQuery WGs are
considering adding a new union type to the xs: namespace, xs:numeric
which would be a union of decimal, float, and double.

Paul sent a reply at

We discussed this on our last telcon; Norm's email at
is a summary of the discussion and the latest on the subject to date.

Henry has said he is agnostic about this; i.e. if Query want to do
this, and no-one objects, no problem.

3.  XML Test Suite.

See also http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xml-test-suite

4.  LEIRIs--see http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#leiri

We have planned to issue the following spec editions referencing
LEIRIs (and any outstanding errata):

* XML 1.0 6th Edition (John to be editor)
* XML 1.1 3rd Edition (John to be editor)
* XInclude 3rd Edition (Paul to be editor)

but all this is on hold awaiting resolution of IRIbis.

5.  XML Media types (3023bis)

See also http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xml-media

Latest IETF draft was -07 dated February 6 at

Paul resent a note of support for 3023bis at

There is now a February 23 draft at
with a diff at
and a DoC at http://www.w3.org/XML/2012/10/3023bis/07-comments.html
...and finally a March 2 draft at
(I could find no DoC or non-auto diff).

[Henry, the first sentence of the last paragraph of section 2.2
includes the phrase "are given names in in [UNICODE]"--note
the extra "in".]

Paul has sent another WG email of support at

Henry reports that the IESG has tentatively approved the spec.
There we many comments made, though none requiring substantive
changes.  Henry is creating the final draft of the final version.

And Wendy Seltzer has acknowledged that the W3C is now the official
change controller for all the XML related media type registrations.

6.  XInclude 1.1--see http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xinclude

On 2012 February 14, we published
XInclude 1.1 Requirement and Use Cases

On 9 October 2012, we published our FPWD of XInclude 1.1 at

On 15 January 2013, we published our (first) Last Call of
XInclude 1.1 at
and Paul sent the transition announcement at
(also cc-ing the chairs mailing list).

On 2013 October 8, we published the XInclude 1.1 CR at

Norm reports that Michael Kay's code just accesses Xerces code,
so Norm might have to work with Xerces.

DV reports that he is busy and so cannot commit to a deadline
for adding XInclude 1.1 support to libxml.

ACTION to Norm:  Continue to work toward getting XInclude 1.1
implementations and document them in our implementation report.

Note also the desire for another test case for the XInclude test suite per

Norm may see if he knows anyone still working on Xerces.

Norm is planning to write a SAX filter to implement XInclude 1.1.
He believes this will lead to a way for using XInclude 1.1 with
Saxon's XSLT processor and most any other Java based tool.

7. MicroXML

MicroXML is not in our new charter, but we can discuss it.
We will leave this as an ongoing item in our standing agenda.


[1] http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core
[2] http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#tasks
[3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2014May/0014
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