Agenda for XML Core WG telcon of 2012 December 12

We have an XML Core WG phone call scheduled for Wednesday,
December 12, from
          08:30-09:00 Pacific time aka
          11:30-12:00 Eastern time aka
          16:30-17:00 UTC
          16:30-17:00 in Ireland and the UK
          17:30-18:00 in middle (most of) Europe
on the Zakim W3C Bridge, +1 617 761 6200, passcode 9652#.
We also use IRC channel #xmlcore on irc.w3.org:6665 .

See the XML Core group page [1] for pointers to current documents
and other information.  If you have additions to the agenda, please
email them to the WG list before the start of the telcon.

Please also review our group page's task list [2] for accuracy and
completeness and be prepared to amend if necessary and accept it
at the beginning of the call.

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Note, this telcon of December 12 will be the last telcon of the
year, as we are cancelling the telcon on December 26.  After this
telcon of December 12, the next telcon will be 2013 January 9.

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Agenda
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1. Accepting the minutes from the last telcon [3] and
   the current task status [2] (have any questions, comments,
   or corrections ready by the beginning of the call).


2. Miscellaneous administrivia and document reviews.

New charter
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Our current charter expires in January.

Liam has started a draft charter at
http://www.w3.org/XML/2013/xml-core-charter.html

Paul already posted some (mostly editorial) comments at
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2012Nov/0017

John sent some suggested wording about MicroXML at
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2012Nov/0019

Liam implemented Paul's suggestions ($Date: 2012-11-28 03:11:12 $),
then Paul sent more email at
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2012Nov/0023

During the last telcon, we had consensus agreement with Paul's latest
suggestions (which included using John's wording).  Since then, there
has been some more email at
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2012Dec/thread#msg7

ACTION to Liam:  Make another attempt at reflecting our current
plans wrt MicroXML in the draft charter while still satisfying
whatever legalities need to be satisfied.


xml-stylesheet and HTML5
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This was discussed at the TPAC f2f.  The conclusion was
for Norm to pass on to the HTML5 WG suggested text for a
non-normative note to be included in the HTML5 1.0 spec
which he did:
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=14689#c35

The latest draft we've seen is dated 08 November 2012 at
http://htmlwg.org/cr/html/
and we don't see our requested wording therein.

Norm checked with Robin who said he says there's another
draft expected that will have the note.

ACTION to Norm:  Continue to track mention of xml-stylesheet
PI in the HTML5 spec.

Names that begin [Xx][Mm][Ll]
-----------------------------
This was discussed at the TPAC f2f.

Norm: proposed erratum

   s/in this or future versions of this specification/
    /in this or future specifications from the XML Core WG or its successors/

Henry: I'm perfectly happy to entertain a motion to remove this from
this specification and retain the "xml:" prefix only for elements and
attributes and "xml-" only for PI targets.

Norm: I'd prefer to make explicit that you *can* write names that
begin "xml", but doing so exposes you to being walked on in the
future. So don't do that.

Jirka: I can go either way, it's always been a restriction, users
should know better, but there are lots of documents that use it,
so we should adapt to common practice.

Jirka sent email at
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2012Nov/0009

ACTION to Norm:  Draft an erratum to "reserve" xml-* for PI targets
and delete the restriction that we lay claim to other names that
start with "xml".


xmlspec.xsl and diffspec.xsl
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Paul sent email about this at
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2012Nov/0014

ACTION to Norm:  Come up with (and implement) a plan to
reorganize xmlspec.xsl and diffspec.xsl to "do the right thing."

3.  XML Test Suite.

See also http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xml-test-suite

ACTION to Henry:  Construct a test case for the XML test suite
issues raised by Frans Englich:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-testsuite/2007Mar/


4.  LEIRIs--see http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#leiri

We have planned to issue the following spec editions referencing
LEIRIs (and any outstanding errata):

* XML 1.0 6th Edition (John to be editor)
* XML 1.1 3rd Edition (John to be editor)
* XInclude 3rd Edition (Paul to be editor)

but all this is on hold awaiting resolution of IRIbis.

Henry has been added as an editor and there is now a new draft,
draft-lilley-xml-mediatypes-00 at
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-lilley-xml-mediatypes-00

We now await this going through the IETF process.


5.  XInclude 1.1--see http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xinclude

On 2012 February 14, we published
XInclude 1.1 Requirement and Use Cases
http://www.w3.org/TR/xinclude-11-requirements/

On 9 October 2012, we published our FPWD of XInclude 1.1 at
http://www.w3.org/XML/2012/10/WD-xinclude-11-20121009/

The latest draft is dated 4 December 2012 at
http://www.w3.org/XML/2012/08/xinclude-11/

Paul commented and suggested some rewording of one note at
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2012Dec/0004

Norm agreed with Paul's suggested rewording and no one else commented.
If there are no objections during this week's telcon, then:

ACTION to Norm:  Implement Paul's suggestion in an updated
draft of the XInclude 1.1 spec.

There is a publishing moratorium from December 14 through
January 2, so unless the WG feels strongly that we should
publish in the next few days, I would plan to publish the
next draft in mid January (our first telcon of the year is
January 9).  Assuming that schedule, we should decide if we
should make the next draft a Last Call.


paul

[1] http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core
[2] http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#tasks
[3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2012Nov/0025