- From: Gregory J. Rosmaita <oedipus@hicom.net>
- Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 16:08:43 +0000
- To: public-xhtml2@w3.org
aloha, all!
minutes from today's XHTML2 Working Group Teleconference can be
found as hypertext at:
http://www.w3.org/2008/11/26-xhtml-minutes.html
and as an IRC log at:
http://www.w3.org/2008/11/26-xhtml-irc
and as plain text following my signature; as usual, any errors,
omissions, mis-attributions, clarifications and the like should be
logged by replying to this announcement on-list...
note that the following 9 resolutions were reached during today's
teleconference:
RESOLUTION: publish new XHTML Media Types (xhtml-mime) with edits
agreed to at 2008-11-26 meeting
RESOLUTION: Shane will publish XHTML Mime Types
RESOLUTION: close action item 21 and begin request PER for 1.0
RESOLUTION: request XHTML 1.1 PER transition
RESOLUTION: request XHTML Basic 1.1 PER transition after SP adds text
RESOLUTION: request XHTML Print 1.1 PER transition after receiving
confirmation from melinda
RESOLUTION: XHTML 1.0 PER (Third Edition) ready for request for
transition
RESOLUTION: next face2face (February 2009) will be dedicated to review
and discussion of XHTML2
RESOLUTION: change timeline for XHTML2 to start CR 2009-06
please note, as well, that the following 5 Action Items were assigned
during today's call:
* ACTION: Shane - get draft policy statement about migrating
modules on MarkUp front page
[http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/actions/36]
* ACTION: Steven - request transition to PER for XHTML 1.1, XHTML
Basic 1.1, and XHTML Print
[http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/actions/37]
* ACTION: Steven - request transition for XHTML 1.0 PER (Third
Edition) [http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/actions/38]
* ACTION: Shane - prepare new draft of XHTML2 for review; have
ready to at least walk WG through changes
[http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/actions/39]
* ACTION: Roland - notify HTC of change of verbiage to "DOM2 or
later" in XML Events 2
[http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/actions/40]
and, finally, the roadmap for XHTML2 has been updated -- roland will
update the working group's web page to reflect the following:
Roadmap for XHTML2
* Latest Draft(s):
* Last Public Working Draft: 2002-08 [http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml2/]
* Last Editor's Draft: 2007-10-24
[http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2007/ED-xhtml2-20071024/]
* Last Call: 2009-03
* CR: 2009-06
* PR: 2009-12
* REC: 2010-03
thanks, gregory.
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- DRAFT -
XHTML2 Working Group Teleconference
26 Nov 2008
Agenda:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Nov/0024.html
See also: IRC log [http://www.w3.org/2008/11/26-xhtml-irc]
Attendees
Present
Gregory_Rosmaita, Markus_Gylling, Roland, ShaneM, Steven,
mgylling
Regrets
Tina_Holcombe, Alessio_Cartocci
Chair
Roland_Merrick
Scribe
Gregory_Rosmaita
Contents
* Topics
1. Introductions & Brief Items
2. Oustanding Actions
3. XHTML-Mime
4. Action 21
5. Additional Completed Actions
6. Timescale for XHTML2
7. XML Events 2
* Summary of Action Items
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previous: http://www.w3.org/2008/11/19-xhtml-minuts.html
Agenda Tracker: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/agenda
Introductions & Brief Items
MG: Chief Technical Officer at DAISY consortium (http://www.daisy.org)
- sets international standard for digital talking books - primarily
blind and visually disabled; been a NISO standard since 2002; now want
to change code base by 2010
... would like to use XHTML2 as host grammar for series of profiles
and hybrid documents
<Steven> Sounds fantastic
MG: following XHTML2 since inception; one of the most poetic of the
specs i've read; here to help in any way i can
... DAISY has always used W3C SMIL for presentation
... SMIL3 has dedicated DAISY profile
SP: in what respect does XHTML2 meet DAISY's requirements;
accessibility always major aim of XHTML2, but anything that sticks out
as being particularly useful
MG: accessibility definitely one point; Role Module will be made
extensive use of
... splitting grammar into to parts: master authoring interface with
host grammar that is robust enough to act as host for profiles
(example: republishing print books) - 1 profile for leisure books, one
for work and text books, another for periodicals; need an underlying
host grammar, and XHTML2 is ideal for us; XHTML 1.1 too narrow for our
basic needs in terms of structure; XHTML2 is the "great cleanup" of
XHTML 1.1
... XHTML2 modularity; concept model is stringent and structured
enough for us to reuse it
SP: have in past gotten a lot of criticism for changes made, so good
to hear when people think got it right
MG: HTML5 makes possible for XHTML2 to remove compromises
SP: correct; haven't finished all discussions, but points of getting
rid of compromises, now that HTML5 is being developed in W3C
Oustanding Actions
Agenda Tracker: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/agenda
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/actions
RM: first 4 "pending review" are shane's
SM: Action 11 - draft policy statement about how we want to migrate
modules; circulated and got feedback; i think my action is done
(accept christina's comments) then what? needs to be in prominent
location
RM: 2 options: 1. link-to from group page or 2. use wiki
SM: put on MarkUp front page -- needs more perceived stability than a
wiki
RM: agree
MG: latest version can be found where?
SM: errata gathering for new edition - proposed by RM in august
... is right way to do this is "if we identify errata, we will follow
W3C process defined here"
RM: seems fine to me - these things happen, here is pointer to how W3C
process works
SM: finish action by adding christina's edits
<scribe> ACTION: Shane - get draft policy statement about migrating
modules on MarkUp front page [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2008/11/26-xhtml-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-36 - - get draft policy statement about
migrating modules on MarkUp front page [on Shane McCarron - due
2008-12-03].
XHTML-Mime
SM: updated typos pointed out by RM
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Nov/0027.html
SM: additional 1.0 in appendix B
RM: following applies to both; doctype declaration and lang
differences between 1.0 and 1.1
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Nov/0023.html
SM: before or after?
RM: have it up front most useful - more people use 1.0 - that's why
requested example for 1.0
SM: primary examples should be 1.0
RM: yes, shows all features, including @lang
SM: leave current action open - will add note as to what i am doing to
it
RM: response to olivier's proposal?
SM: overcome by events; besides, olivier resigned
SP: friday is olivier's last day
RM: are we ready to issue XHTML Mime as new note with changes just
discussed
SM: +1
RM: +1
GJR: plus 1 as amended
<Steven> +1
RM: anyone think should NOT push new note?
RESOLUTION: publish new XHTML Media Types (xhtml-mime) with edits
agreed to at 2008-11-26 meeting
GJR: confusion between title: "XHTML Media Types" and shortname
xhtml-mime
SM: 3 issues: long title, ref (in brackets in documents - use XHTML
Mime in all specs) - url should be same as old URI - should be
xhtml-mime
<Steven> http://www.w3.org/TR/2002/NOTE-xhtml-media-types-20020801/
SP: old URL said note-xhtml-media-types
SM: shouldn't be called XHTML Mime, but XHTML Media Types
RESOLUTION: Shane will publish XHTML Mime Types
Action 21
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Nov/0016.html
SM: need to ensure all references point to xhtml-mime
... no errata on 1.0
SP: that's amazing
SM: errata in second edition
RESOLUTION: close action item 21 and begin request PER for 1.0
SM: if done same for 1.1 and Basic, can we push them too?
RM: need to check as WG
SM: reasonable to record that 1.1, Print, and Basic ready to go to PER
Second Editions as soon as review finalized by RM
RM: waiting on feedback from yam
SP: in process
<Steven> I have the text
RESOLUTION: request XHTML 1.1 PER transition
RESOLUTION: request XHTML Basic 1.1 PER transition after SP adds text
SP: melinda gave ok?
SM: yes
SP: pointer?
SM: please ask melinda to send something to point to?
GJR: plus 1 to 1.1 Print PER
RESOLUTION: request XHTML Print 1.1 PER transition after receiving
confirmation from melinda
<scribe> ACTION: Steven - request transition to PER for XHTML 1.1,
XHTML Basic 1.1, and XHTML Print [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2008/11/26-xhtml-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-37 - - request transition to PER for XHTML
1.1, XHTML Basic 1.1, and XHTML Print [on Steven Pemberton - due
2008-12-03].
GJR: is that ok, SP?
SP: will be able to handle small tasks like this during december 2008
RM: just want to get request in - can schedule transition call for
january 2009
... XHTML 1.0 PER (Third Edition) ready for transition
SP: do we need a comments period? strictly speaking, no conformance
changes, so should sail right through
SM: 1.0 always pointed to Mime Types document; needs to be reissued
because of XHTML Mime Types; taken out duplicate material from 1.0
RESOLUTION: XHTML 1.0 PER (Third Edition) ready for request for
transition
<scribe> ACTION: Steven - request transition for XHTML 1.0 PER (Third
Edition) [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2008/11/26-xhtml-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-38 - - request transition for XHTML 1.0 PER
(Third Edition) [on Steven Pemberton - due 2008-12-03].
Additional Completed Actions
RM: Action 10 - GJR
GJR: no, i have to do data mining - will do after call
RM: action 14 - Shane?
SM: no progress
RM: 22 is done
GJR: action 22 now closed
SM: contacted mark baker about
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/actions/26
... RFC left an opening which needs to be plugged
<Steven> 3236
SP: RFC 3236
<Steven> http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3236.txt
GJR: action 26 updated with reference to RFC number and URI
SP: disposed of issues surrounding disposition of comments which
claimed we rejected it - when we hadn't
SM: made change before call
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Nov/0028.html
SM: Access, Role, and CURIEs at same transition call
... makes sense to do in one call -- Access and Role both point to
CURIEs, so have to change pointers if others go to CR
RM: based on transition call, may have to make editorial changes
SM: need to change Access and Role to point to CR version of CURIEs
Timescale for XHTML2
draft roadmap for XHTML2 for discussion
Latest Draft(s) : 2002-08 [http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml2/]
Last Editor's Draft: 2007-10-24
[http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2007/ED-xhtml2-20071024/]
Last Call : 2009-03
CR : 2009-09
PR : 2009-12
REC : 2010-03
RM: have talked about LC for XHTML2 for 2009-03 -- will we try and do
another draft before next call
SM: yes
RM: estimated date? can we get done before december?
SM: plate cleared for XHTML2
... big document, please re-read
RM: shoot for new draft this year; draft to review 2 weeks from today
<scribe> ACTION: Shane - prepare new draft of XHTML2 for review; have
ready to at least walk WG through changes [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2008/11/26-xhtml-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-39 - - prepare new draft of XHTML2 for
review; have ready to at least walk WG through changes [on Shane
McCarron - due 2008-12-03].
SP: next face 2 face?
RM: february 2009
... should allow us to go through document and make decisions during
february meeting; next face2face devoted to XHTML2
RESOLUTION: next face2face (february 2009) will be dedicated to review
and discussion of XHTML2
SP: 3 months of CR is optimistic
... CR at 2009-06 have more time for implementation work
RESOLUTION: change timeline for XHTML2 to start CR 2009-06
SP: @href everywhere and @src everywhere biggest changes
... saw somewhere a javascript implementation of @href everywhere
RM: will amend WG roadmap on WG page
<Roland>
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Nov/0018.html
XML Events 2
RM: replied to comment
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Nov/0018.html
RM reply:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Nov/0020.html
<ShaneM> I obviously think the summary is perfect.
GJR: plus 1 to RM's suggestion: "I think you have accurately
summarised the discussion. I agree that the sentiment seemed to be
that we make DOM 2 the baseline for our requirement and that we would
expect that DOM 3 will be compatible with DOM 2 so that we define XE 2
such that it works on either and does not require new features of DOM
3"
RM: dependency on DOM3 shaky - what do we want from DOM3 events that
we can't get from DOM2? would it make implementations more difficult?
... DOM3 - essential addition: Qnames
... don't have direct dependence on Qnames - if they are available,
great, but if don't have req for Qnames, can we live without it and
set DOM2 as baseline, with assumption that DOM3 superset of DOM2 and
would include all that is in DOM2
SP: sounds good
RM: agreement that DOM2 basis to work with?
SP: using DOM3 because in pipleline - nothing in processing model of
DOM3 we need not in DOM2
RM: conclusion we came to last week
... change XML Events 2 to say "DOM2 and later"
SP: need to report this to HTCG (hypertext coordination group) - this
is the sort of change that may or may not affect other groups, should
notify them
RM: note to HTC?
<scribe> ACTION: Roland - notify HTC of change of verbiage to "DOM2 or
later" in XML Events 2 [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2008/11/26-xhtml-minutes.html#action05]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-40 - - notify HTC of change of verbiage to
\"DOM2 or later\" in XML Events 2 [on Roland Merrick - due
2008-12-03].
RM: other topics?
... for those celebrating holiday, happy holiday
ADJOURN
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Roland - notify HTC of change of verbiage to "DOM2 or
later" in XML Events 2 [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2008/11/26-xhtml-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: Shane - get draft policy statement about migrating
modules on MarkUp front page [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2008/11/26-xhtml-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Shane - prepare new draft of XHTML2 for review; have
ready to at least walk WG through changes [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2008/11/26-xhtml-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: Steven - request transition for XHTML 1.0 PER (Third
Edition) [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2008/11/26-xhtml-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: Steven - request transition to PER for XHTML 1.1, XHTML
Basic 1.1, and XHTML Print [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2008/11/26-xhtml-minutes.html#action02]
[End of minutes]
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