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RE: WebID video and demo

From: peter williams <home_pw@msn.com>
Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 22:46:39 -0700
Message-ID: <SNT143-ds1746BE916B9938DDF5430C92830@phx.gbl>
To: "'Kingsley Idehen'" <kidehen@openlinksw.com>, <public-xg-webid@w3.org>
I can a story here.

One of my job missions is to define the utility of  cloud storage (for a
real estate firm).

Wel that sounds easy. Sql in the cloud. Or blobs and tables. Or trivial
webservices for CRUD data operations, perhaps with a token in the wwwauth
field. POCO entity models, with factory classes that make it all trivial.
Throw in a bit of aspect programming, or inversion of control. Throw some
more java patterns in, for good measure.

But, its not a strategy. Sure, things have moved around, and there is some
multi-tenancy. But, no reason to move from my SAN to the cloud.

2 things are starting to change my mind, due to openid and webid. And its
not openid protocol nor webid protocol that is the direct change vector. Its
what the enable, in their ADVANCED uses.

In openid, I was most interested in the XRI world. It was a bit interesting
that XRI had what DANE wants to do (a hierarchy of naming records, with
signed RRs). But, it was that the openXRI server showed something similar to
what I way in data.fm. It was just in "structure" XML as the graphing basis,
rather than RDF (as per the data.fm). the openXRI server  cleary showed how
one made ones own little data cloud, having done a login from an openid.

Having played a lot with the more mature products (ODS for the profile
manager, and data.fm for the data space), I can see now that semweb is
maturing to the point where I was with openXRI. And, it is a bit simpler
than the XRI/XDI graphing basis. It's the same, but different. Same enough,
so what I HOPED FOR as a side-effect of openid (get to personal named XDI
graphs), I can get from the data.fm type world (different, most in the

SO, Im VERY hopeful.

I went through the ODS stuff quite carefully. I got to make 2 certs and 2
keys (bound to different anchored graphs), and Im way past using
foaf-a-matic type sites. Its enterprise grade (nearly). I got my data.fm
spaces, then, merely by doing webid logon.

This is the impressive part. I only hit it today. When I connected the dots
that what I lost in XRI/XDI (when openid got reduced to an "irrelevant"
SAML-blob-alternative) I got back in data.fm, now Im feeling much better
about webid, and its bigger story. Ive got sparql, ive got sparql over https
with clients certs, Ive got sparql with a writable port (guarded by webid
client auth), and Ive got a XDI-like data space, in which to now build those
advanced data-centric apps.

And, its all user-centric, in the original sense that identity commons
intended for the term (which had nothing to do with PGP saving the Russian
refuseniks, etc, by flouting all authorities).

I hope some writes a paper on the what it took to realize this topic. It
will be worth reading. Now I get to articulate a stragegy for national scale
upgrades, and I get to predict when it will occur, and what cost... and
guess where to first seek adopting parties 

-----Original Message-----
From: public-xg-webid-request@w3.org [mailto:public-xg-webid-request@w3.org]
On Behalf Of Kingsley Idehen
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 1:53 PM
To: public-xg-webid@w3.org
Subject: Re: WebID video and demo

On 5/5/11 2:21 PM, Manu Sporny wrote:
> The storage mechanism in our particular implementation was chosen just 
> because it was the simplest way to implement what we wanted. There is 
> nothing, as far as we can see, that should couple the storage 
> mechanism to the WebID specification. So yes, we can give people that 
> choice - but many people are just going to choose the default.

This matter is becoming a top priority now that some infrastructure failure
points have been addressed. For example, you can use HTML5 WebDB to talk
SPASQL to a data space (which can take the form of an RDBMS, Graph DBMS, a
file etc..). The channel question will be secured too via WebID.

What we'll end up doing is making Flash storage an option :-)


- HTML5 WebDB to ODBC Bridges (so SPASQL has a pinhole and more )



Kingsley Idehen	
President&  CEO
OpenLink Software
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