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RE: Position Paper for W3C Workshop on Identity

From: peter williams <home_pw@msn.com>
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 08:48:06 -0700
Message-ID: <SNT143-ds200817CE63231FBC3F44D092920@phx.gbl>
CC: "'WebID XG'" <public-xg-webid@w3.org>
Those are properties of most identity schemes.

What is different about webid is nicely characterized in the paper. It makes
its case, broadly on lines we all agree here. The question now is tuning it
for "receptivity" - for the audience (and the reviewers). Its not an
academic paper. It's a starting position for a negotiation.

We have to remember the process: find the sweet spots that product manager
types responding to the US national id stragety now recognize as valuable,
and then choose some small n things that all browser vendors do that benefit
several groups' agendas.  In all likelihood, server platforms may need to
have m changes, too (e.g. better TLS ClientHello support...).

If browser vendors could do X that both helps openid and helps webid
(because they use a common element, that can be improved) this is what we
want to address - surely. It's not a competition between schemes, but a
process for enabling several scheme to go play on a better baseline than we
have today (since the browser and https client certs are stuck in ~2000 era
thinking, locked up in anti-PKI rants).

Refining the existing Opera panel which shows which client cert is active,
with webid-relevant information, seems an obvious win. If that same panel
could say: And the IDP consuming the client cert asserted to RP R (now shown
in your tab), and R has the following site properties, even better. The
browser panel PER-TAB can render the RP' sites metadata as validated by the
IDP (just as we are advocating the browser render the user's metadata).

Just need to think different. But, the core thesis is good. Its just a
question of delivering the punch, now, not educating more, to win some

-----Original Message-----
From: public-xg-webid-request@w3.org [mailto:public-xg-webid-request@w3.org]
On Behalf Of Alexandre Passant
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 7:56 AM
To: Henry Story
Cc: WebID XG
Subject: Re: Position Paper for W3C Workshop on Identity

Hi Henry,

I've added some comments to the google doc yesterday, do you plan to
integrate them.
I think we shall mention somewhere the ties between WebID and FOAF (or any
machine readable data about the WebID owner)

Since we're talking about identity, we shall mention that WebID allows 
(1) a user to give some of its information to an application (where s/he's
authenticating) in a machine-readable form and
(2) an application (where someone logs in) to deliver some data based on the
identify and the attributes

Multiple advantages: fight spam, contextual information delivery,
personalisation etc.



On 21 Apr 2011, at 12:51, Henry Story wrote:

> New version with some changes:
> http://bblfish.net/tmp/2011/04/21/
> The old one is here
> http://bblfish.net/tmp/2011/04/20/
> Is there a web diff tool?
> Henry
> On 21 Apr 2011, at 11:26, Harry Halpin wrote:
>> On 04/21/2011 10:41 AM, Henry Story wrote:
>>> Harry, are videos allowed in a submission?
>>> Btw. doing a good video is even more work that writing a good text out,
as it requires excellence in an even larger set of media voice, music, film,
>> Feel free to link to a video that you can show in your presentation. The
video cannot replace a position paper, which requires text.
>> HOWEVER, if you do get a video in with your paper, we might make a
separate video part of the workshop homepage if enough people ping me with
video requests. We've had about 3 others say this before. The idea would be
people could watch the video before the workshop, to help start a
conversation ASAP.  We want people at the workshop primed and ready to go.
>>> Henry
>>> On 21 Apr 2011, at 10:33, Alexandre Passant wrote:
>>>>> Links in the addendum or references sections or via anchored text, as
per normal practice. If you have a live link, you negate the constraints of
digital rendition of paper :-)
>>>> Since papers can be submitted in HTML, embedding a video is also an
option to make the case of WebID.
>>>> Alex.
>>> Social Web Architect
>>> http://bblfish.net/
> Social Web Architect
> http://bblfish.net/
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