RE: RE: Re: a totally minimal RDFa doc, please

Im afraid Im rapidly giving up on the foaf bit..

 

http://www.w3.org/2007/08/pyRdfa/extract?uri=http%3a%2f%2fhome.homepw2.opera
unite.com%2fwebserver%2fcontent%2findex.html%2f
<http://www.w3.org/2007/08/pyRdfa/extract?uri=http%3a%2f%2fhome.homepw2.oper
aunite.com%2fwebserver%2fcontent%2findex.html%2f&format=pretty-xml&warnings=
false&parser=lax&space-preserve=true>
&format=pretty-xml&warnings=false&parser=lax&space-preserve=true

 

just crashes the extract method now (I re-saved the file using visual studio
as code page US-ASCII). The resource resolves fine in fiddler (a proxy) and
IE/Opera.

 

I don't think there is anything (major) wrong with the card; its something
about the hosting.

 

Do we expect resources servers collecting cards to follow redirects, set
cookies etc?

 

I half remember hitting this cookie thing a decade ago.

 

GET http://home.homepw2.operaunite.com/webserver/content/index.html/

302 Found to /webserver/content/index.html/?session-redirect=noCookie

 

GET
http://home.homepw2.operaunite.com/webserver/content/index.html/?session-red
irect=noCookie

200 OK (text/html)

 

If a w3c server doing conformance checking (and reasonable practices on
server side https client behavior) cannot retrieve this resource, what hope
is there that the average  resource server doing webid is going to success.

 

Annoyed.

 

From: public-xg-webid-request@w3.org [mailto:public-xg-webid-request@w3.org]
On Behalf Of peter williams
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 2:14 PM
To: 'Akbar Hossain'
Cc: 'WebID XG'
Subject: RE: RE: Re: a totally minimal RDFa doc, please

 

 

Hmm. Good observation. The stream strips those, often.

 

YES, this is a proxied connection from anyone to my web endpoint (sitting in
my browser), and appearing in Opera land, somewhere, for real.

 

Perhaps those are the UTF header chars of the stream? ( I dont know, I'm
just guessing, remembering another nightmare over 3 chars at the beginning
of the stream.).

 

Let's me see if I can get rid of them by releasing only true ascii (or
perhaps better, I somehow manage to tag the MIME type with the UTF flags).

 

Ok. Its worth another try.

 

From: Akbar Hossain [mailto:akkiehossain@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 1:14 PM
To: peter williams
Cc: WebID XG
Subject: Re: RE: Re: a totally minimal RDFa doc, please

 

Hi Peter,

There are some strange control characters at the start of your stream.

If you do a wget you see them. Maybe that? 

357 273 277   <   !   D   O   C   T   Y   P   E       h   t   m

Browsers maybe be more tolerant. Or you dare I say you are indeed a victim
of  MITM. 

Good luck.

On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 5:58 PM, peter williams <home_pw@msn.com> wrote:

That what I did. I copied your page, byte for byte, from a socket spy.
Perhaps I changed a byte too many and upset a (unwebby) ultra fussy syntax? 

 

The only thing I changed in the graph part was the about ref, and the
cert:id. I only did that after it didn't work when simply hosting your page
with no change (hoping it was an RDF issue.)

 

http://home.homepw2.operaunite.com/webserver/content/index.html

 

Im *guessing* that what the browser sees is NOT what the server http client
sees (be it an extractor client, or uriburner client). There are definitely
redirects and cookies and other stuff going on,  when I spy on the handoffs.
What the betting that the average resource server is not going to be willing
to leverage these "browser" centric features of the endpoint?

 

If I invoke the extractor, it seems to analyze some intermediate page.

 

Im trying really hard to use consumer stuff (and not run a webserver). 

 

 

From: akkiehossain@gmail.com [mailto:akkiehossain@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
Akbar Hossain
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 8:52 AM
To: peter williams
Cc: mail@akbarhossain.com; WebID XG
Subject: Re: RE: Re: a totally minimal RDFa doc, please

 

Peter,

If you run your page thru the rdfa distiller there is no key. Perhaps copy
my page without too many edits first. 

Thanks.

On 14 Apr 2011 15:38, "peter williams" <home_pw@msn.com> wrote:
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> Almost perfect - in that there is (i) total minimum of markup, (ii) anyone
can understand that, and (iii) a lovely rdfa extractor proves its viable.
> 
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> 
> So, I stuff a variant on
http://home.homepw2.operaunite.com/webserver/content/#
<http://home.homepw2.operaunite.com/webserver/content/>  . and the extractor
doesn't work! I guess uriburner wont work either, for some a related
(unknown) reasons.
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> Sigh. 
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> 
> But thanks. It's the right idea.
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> From: public-xg-webid-request@w3.org
[mailto:public-xg-webid-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Coralie Mercier
> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 4:53 AM
> To: WebID XG
> Subject: Fwd: Re: a totally minimal RDFa doc, please
> 
> 
> 
> [Messages from "Akbar Hossain" <mail@akbarhossain.com> seem to not end up
on the public-xg-webid@w3.org list and archive. I'm investigating.
Meanwhile, I'm forwarding the message to the list.]
> 
> ------- Forwarded message -------
> From: "Akbar Hossain" <mail@akbarhossain.com>
> To: "peter williams" <home_pw@msn.com>
> Subject: Re: a totally minimal RDFa doc, please
> Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 10:23:04 +0200
> 
> Perhaps look at the source of my home page. http://akbarhossain.com/
> 
> You could remove the rdfa validator link, the email verifier link and pem
converter.
> Maybe make the cert details non visible elements of the page ...
> Endless possibilities.
> 
> (I generated the page from the second tab of http://x509.me
> The test a certificate option. My cert was generated of the first page
(optional). My cert had a SAN pointing to a blank page to start with. Press
the test button on the second tab. It fails as it was a blank page and spits
out the rdfa required for it to pass. Cut, copy, paste.)
> 
> Hope that helps.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> On 14 Apr 2011 05:07, "peter williams" <home_pw@msn.com> wrote:
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