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Re: Death and Berevement

From: Phil Archer <phil@philarcher.org>
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 14:06:04 +0100
Message-ID: <4A6DA63C.8040406@philarcher.org>
To: Alex Korth <alex@ttbc.de>
CC: Harry Halpin <hhalpin@ibiblio.org>, Tim Anglade <tim.anglade@af83.com>, "public-xg-socialweb@w3.org" <public-xg-socialweb@w3.org>


Alex Korth wrote:
> I started a user-story section called Content Clearance in the wiki [1] 
> and added two use-cases there. One about auto-forgetting content and one 
> about an online last will. Could a native tongue among you do me a favor 
> and check the morbid Last Will user story if I hit the right tone? Pls 
> feel free to edit/improve.

Done.

I've been through and edited the text. In this situation, where we're 
talking  about abstract players, it's clearer to use basic words like 
'death' than to use the many euphemisms that occur in every day life.

I hope you'll forgive me, Alex, but one of the curses of being a native 
speaker is you can't help but have an occasional laugh at others' expense.

Pass by - means you walk past someone (or drive or whatever)
Pass _away_ - means you die.

Now, when I'm brave enough to say or write anything in Deutsche, feel 
free to laugh mercilessly!

Tschüss

Phil.


> 
> Cheers,
> Alex
> 
> [1] 
> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/UserStories#Content_Clearance 
> 
> 
> Harry Halpin wrote:
>> On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Alex Korth<alex@ttbc.de> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> This issue is feature that an ID provider, who is dedicated to take 
>>> care of
>>> your stuff and who has access to it, is the right entity to provide.
>>> In general and as said, users need reach control over their content. 
>>> If a
>>> service is given access to content that is hosted by the user's IDP, 
>>> this
>>> access must be revokeable if the user changes his mind. It's a life 
>>> cycle of
>>> access that ends somewhen. To me it is straight forward for the IDP 
>>> to ask
>>> the user what should happen to his content when he dies. Who cares if an
>>> account is not deleted? It's the party pics that must go offline!
>>> There is another aspect at the end of content's lifecycle that's 
>>> strongly
>>> related to the issue of a user passing away: forgetting. Our brains 
>>> have a
>>> feature to forget outdated stuff to free memory.
>>
>> Sounds like a rather depressing, but useful, use-case. For example,
>> one might want their content to become a sort of electronic memorial
>> for oneself, which does mean embarassing party pics must go, but
>> family members might want to add new photos, use the "wall" to share
>> memories, and the like. Anyone want to write this up?
>>
>>> »And because we forget, all the embarassing things we did 10 years 
>>> ago, are
>>> forgotten. We are different beings now and thus, this information is
>>> outdated. One can also understand this brain feature as a natural 
>>> filter.
>>> But I am no biologist. ;)
>>> However, this might be approached technically, or by a licence which 
>>> expires
>>> automatically or on demand. Imagine a CC-by-1week. I am no expert in the
>>> licences domain. Is there something appropriate or something close?«
>>> (commented on DanBri's http://danbri.org/words/2009/07/23/423 Dan, 
>>> this is
>>> still awaiting moderation?)
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Alex
>>>
>>> Tim Anglade wrote:
>>>> Interesting (if slightly morbid) point.
>>>>
>>>> The issue is of definite interest nonetheless, if only because of the
>>>> varying industry practices on the subject.
>>>>
>>>> Currently, I'm only aware of two major services who take this 
>>>> eventuality
>>>> into account:
>>>> * Facebook urges you to “memorialize” the deceased's page [1]. 
>>>> Apparently,
>>>> if you can *prove* you're the next of kin, they'll let you delete the
>>>> account [2];
>>>> * MySpace lets you delete it permanently [3].
>>>>
>>>> Le 26 juil. 09 à 21:39, Phil Archer a écrit :
>>>>
>>>>> What I can't work out is whether this is something that might be 
>>>>> part of
>>>>> a future standardisation track - or simply a commercial opportunity 
>>>>> for
>>>>> someone. In which case, why the heck am I sending this to a public 
>>>>> list?
>>>>>  ;-)
>>>> Another good call. Considering how Americans are signing up for 
>>>> id-theft
>>>> protection and the like, I could see a smallish industry of 
>>>> e-undertakers
>>>> cropping up. Something like a nominal or sub-$10 yearly fee in 
>>>> exchange for
>>>> a prompt removal (or advantageous e-embalming) of your accounts.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Tim
>>>>
>>>> [1] http://www.facebook.com/help/contact.php?show_form=deceased
>>>> [2] http://blog.searchenginewatch.com/090224-113022
>>>> [3] 
>>>> http://faq.myspace.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/369/kw/dead/r_id/100061
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Alexander Korth
>>> www.twitter.com/alexkorth
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
> 

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Phil Archer
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