- From: Raphaël Troncy <Raphael.Troncy@cwi.nl>
- Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 09:57:15 +0100
- To: MMSem-XG Public List <public-xg-mmsem@w3.org>
Dear all,
The minutes of today's meeting are at
http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html
The next telecon is scheduled for Thursday 23/11/2006, 16:00 UTC
The Summary of action items read:
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Jeff and Vassilis to review
[48]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/wiki/Building_multimedial
_Semantic_Web_Applications [recorded in
[49]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html#action18]
[NEW] ACTION: Massimo & Suzanne to have draft ready for review
before December 1 [recorded in
[50]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html#action16]
[NEW] ACTION: Oscar and Jacco to draft more focussed use case before
December 1st [recorded in
[51]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html#action10]
[NEW] ACTION: Oscar, Jacco and Giovanni to make a first draft of the
use case by December 1st [recorded in
[52]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html#action09]
[NEW] ACTION: Raphael, Chris, Thierry: finish news UC draft before
Dec 1st. [recorded in
[53]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html#action11]
[NEW] ACTION: Susanne extent draft Photo UC before Dec 1 [recorded
in [54]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html#action13]
[NEW] ACTION: Tobias to send comments on Algorithm representation
Use case [recorded in
[55]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html#action17]
[NEW] ACTION: Vassilis et al to provide 1st draft MPEG-7 UC before
Dec 1. [recorded in
[56]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html#action12]
[NEW] ACTION: Vassilis to clarify the content of section 6 and 9 and
ask to use case authors precised contributions, on the mailling list
[recorded in
[57]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html#action19]
[NEW] ACTION: Vassilis to contact Ioannis about future of this UC
[recorded in
[58]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html#action15]
[NEW] ACTION: Vassilis to review all use cases [recorded in
[59]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html#action07]
[NEW] ACTION: Vassilis to suggest skype to Ioannis [recorded in
[60]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html#action14]
[48]
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/wiki/Building_multimedial_Semantic_Web_Applications
[PENDING] ACTION: Giovanni and Christian to maintain the Tools page
[recorded in
[61]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html#action03]
[PENDING] ACTION: Jacco to review the music use case [recorded in
[62]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html#action08]
[PENDING] ACTION: Jeff to review all use cases [recorded in
[63]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html#action06]
[PENDING] ACTION: Melli and Paul to do their wiki page [recorded in
[64]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html#action04]
[PENDING] ACTION: Michael to maintain the Vocabularies page
[recorded in
[65]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html#action02]
[PENDING] ACTION: Pasquale to maintain the Resources page [recorded
in [66]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html#action01]
[PENDING] ACTION: Raphael addresses the comments on "Image
Annotation on the Semantic Web document" [recorded in
[67]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html#action05]
The minutes are fully reproduced below ...
Best.
Raphaël
--------------------
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
MMSEM 16 November Telecon
16 Nov 2006
[2]Agenda
[2]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2006Nov/0021.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-irc
Attendees
Present
Raphael, Jacco, Tobias, Vassilis, Paola, George, Jeff, ISTI,
Michael (IRC)
Regrets
Ioannis, Stamatia, ThierryDeclerck, Pasquale, Roberto,
Giovanni, Christian, ChrisHalashek, Melli
Chair
Jeff, Raphael
Scribe
Jacco, Raphael
Contents
* [4]Topics
2. [6]1. ADMIN
3. [7]2. LINKS Pages
4. [8]3. XG UPDATES
5. [9]3.1 Music Use case: (Giovanni, Oscar)
6. [10]3.2: News Use case: (Raphael, Chris)
7. [11]3.3 Bio-medical Image Use case: (Melliyal)
8. [12]3.4: MPEG-7 metadata interoperability Use case
9. [13]3.5 Photo Use case: (Susanne)
10. [14]3.6 Semantic Multimedia Retrieval Use Case
11. [15]3.7 Algorithm representation Use case
12. [16]3.8 Tagging Use case
13. [17]4. Interoperability Deliverable
15. [19]5. F2F meeting
* [20]Summary of Action Items
_________________________________________________________
<scribe> Scribe: Jacco
W3C Multimedia Semantics XG - Telecon 16-11-2006, 16:00 UTC
1. ADMIN
<TobiasBuerger> \me Zakim, mute me
<mhausenb> hi there. today I just can join you via IRC
<isti> hi all from Ovidio, Suzanne and Massimo
<mhausenb> Is it peradventure possible for anybody to transcribe the
audio
<mhausenb> or at least summarise, please?
Minutes previous meeting are accepted
Minutes informal meeting @ISWC accepted as well
Next meeting will be next week Nov, 23
2. LINKS Pages
<ThomasFranz> my regrets for the next telco on Nov, 23
<raphael> Michael, report on vocabularies page ?
<mhausenb> some progress indeed
<raphael> something to report ?
<mhausenb> still looking for some volunteers for some sections
<mhausenb> promise to incoporate your comments till next week!
<raphael> my comments:
[21]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2006Oct/0056
.html
[21]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2006Oct/0056.html
Tobias volunteers to fill some section here
<raphael> Tobias volunteers to maintain MPEG21 and MXF sectionss
<mhausenb> THANKS!
3. XG UPDATES
Image annotations deliverable: Raphael is editing, but didn't check
in yet
XML exampes still need to be converted to N3 and the graphs need to
be redone
<mhausenb> volunteer to convert ...
<scribe> ACTION: Pasquale to maintain the Resources page: PENDING
[recorded in
[22]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html#action01]
<scribe> ACTION: Michael to maintain the Vocabularies page: PENDING
[recorded in
[23]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html#action02]
<TobiasBuerger> \me Zakim, mute me
<scribe> ACTION: Giovanni and Christian to maintain the Tools page:
PENDING [recorded in
[24]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html#action03]
<scribe> ACTION: Melli and Paul to do their wiki page: PENDING
[recorded in
[25]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html#action04]
<scribe> ACTION: Raphael addresses the comments on "Image Annotation
on the Semantic Web document": PENDING [recorded in
[26]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html#action05]
Raphael: will have a final version on the f2f meeting, so people
need to read it before
<raphael> Interoperability issues: the key word of this XG !!!
<raphael> All use cases should be written with this goal in mind
<raphael> Later on, Vassilis will talk about how they will converge
and be put together
<scribe> ACTION: Jeff to review all use cases: PENDING [recorded in
[27]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html#action06]
<scribe> ACTION: Vassilis to review all use cases [recorded in
[28]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html#action07]
3.1 Music Use case: (Giovanni, Oscar)
Oscar will join this group but needs to teach on Thursdays
Oscar will attend the f2f in Athens
<scribe> ACTION: Jacco to review the music use case: PENDING
[recorded in
[29]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html#action08]
<raphael> Comments of Oscar:
[30]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2006Nov/0020
.html
[30]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2006Nov/0020.html
<mhausenb> what is going on? topic?
<TobiasBuerger> I think it is also important to distinguish this use
case from "classical" information retrieval
<raphael> Timeline: before the F2F, having a first draft of the
Music Use case
<raphael> ACTION: Oscar, Jacco and Giovanni to make a first draft of
the use case by December 1st [recorded in
[31]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html#action09]
<scribe> ACTION: Oscar and Jacco to draft more focussed use case
before December 1st [recorded in
[32]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html#action10]
3.2: News Use case: (Raphael, Chris)
We updated the wiki, but made little progress on the solutions part
Raphael: we are looking at financial information in this use case
<mhausenb> how about IPTC?
Raphael: we are still in the process of getting good example data
<mhausenb> please define _good_
Raphael: We will try to make the deadline of 1st december
<scribe> ACTION: Raphael, Chris, Thierry: finish news UC draft
before Dec 1st. [recorded in
[33]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html#action11]
Vassilis: maybe we should focus on small single interoperability
problems, not cover all of them
<raphael> Michael, we are in the process of having more data for
illustrating the problems (interoperability problems)
3.3 Bio-medical Image Use case: (Melliyal)
Melli sent regrets
3.4: MPEG-7 metadata interoperability Use case
<raphael> Comments of Suzanne:
[34]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2006Nov/0017
.html
[34]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2006Nov/0017.html
<raphael> Comments of Rapahel:
[35]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2006Oct/0062
.html
[35]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2006Oct/0062.html
Vassilis: Also little progress on solution, will focus on one of
three types of solution
<mhausenb> agree. still we should describe the problems in depth ...
<scribe> ACTION: Vassilis et al to provide 1st draft MPEG-7 UC
before Dec 1. [recorded in
[36]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html#action12]
3.5 Photo Use case: (Susanne)
Susanne: in general this UC fits well with the interoperability
focus of the XG
Most remarks were clarifications, ask how to do multiple domain
ontologies using Hunter's ABC framework
3.6 Semantic Multimedia Retrieval Use Case
<susanneBoll> yes
<susanneBoll> SusanneBoll
What about a general vocabulary for annotating photo's on the web
Susanne: We are working with a large photo provider, they need both
high and low level features
And there is no common framework to do this on the web
Raphael: Suggest how to solve this in say, the XMP way versus, say
the PhotoRDF stuff.
... Would this make sense?
XMP=embedded, PhotoRDF=external
<raphael> Centralized versus Distributed for the host of the photos
and of the metadata
<raphael> How to retrieve from a photo its metadata ?
<scribe> ACTION: Susanne extent draft Photo UC before Dec 1
[recorded in
[37]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html#action13]
Ionnis is not present
Ioannis has troubles making the telephone confs
<scribe> ACTION: Vassilis to suggest skype to Ioannis [recorded in
[38]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html#action14]
<JeffP> W3C Zakim: +1.617.761.6200, +33.4.89.06.34.99 or
+44.117.370.6152
<scribe> ACTION: Vassilis to contact Ioannis about future of this UC
[recorded in
[39]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html#action15]
3.7 Algorithm representation Use case
Massimo: not much progress last weeks
<scribe> ACTION: Massimo & Suzanne to have draft ready for review
before December 1 [recorded in
[40]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html#action16]
<scribe> ACTION: Tobias to send comments on Algorithm representation
Use case [recorded in
[41]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html#action17]
3.8 Tagging Use case
<raphael> Draft tagging ontology
<raphael> Problems: not possible to use DC and SKOS in OWL DL ...
will be OWL Full
George: facing some skoss related problems, mailed to relevant w3c
lists
Raphael: SWD WG will developp and OWL version of SKOS
<raphael> OWL DL version !
<susanneBoll> I would like to add the following link
<susanneBoll> Inducing Ontology from Flickr Tags
George: developing prototype to show interoperability across tagging
sites
<susanneBoll> [42]http://www.rawsugar.com/www2006/22.pdf
[42] http://www.rawsugar.com/www2006/22.pdf
<raphael> thx susanne
<raphael> we know about this paper .
<raphael> Jeff and Vassilis will review it Michael
<mhausenb> thanks!
<scribe> ACTION: Jeff and Vassilis to review
[43]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/wiki/Building_multimedial
_Semantic_Web_Applications [recorded in
[44]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html#action18]
[43]
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/wiki/Building_multimedial_Semantic_Web_Applications
4. Interoperability Deliverable
4
[45]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/wiki/Building_multimedial_Se
mantic_Web_Applications
[45]
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/wiki/Building_multimedial_Semantic_Web_Applications
Semantic Web Activity lead Ivan Herman invited Raphael and Jeff to
report back to the SW Coordination Group in January
Vassilis: I've put a first draft of the interoperability deliverable
on the wiki
Raphael: The first point to discuss is the status of the Use Cases
<mhausenb> looks sensible to me, vassilis
<JeffP>
[46]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/wiki/Semantic_Interoperab
ility
[46]
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/wiki/Semantic_Interoperability
(short version of) use cases should be integrated in the deliverable
<mhausenb> opt for linking to tools/voc/resources NOT including them
Tobias: We could also do it the other way around: first discuss the
issues and than match those with relevant use cases
<TobiasBuerger> Jacco: yes we could do that
Vassilis: I think the issue should be the use cases issues
<mhausenb> and I support Tobias proposal
<raphael> Status of the Tools / Vocabularies / Resources
Sorry all, I have to leave - see you next time
<raphael> Raphael: good to publicize, good result of the XG
<raphael> ... to include or not in the Deliverable ...
<raphael> ... most likely not
<raphael> ... so section 7 might disapear
<mhausenb> a pointer would do IMHO
<raphael> Use Cases: core meat or not of the document ?
<mhausenb> definitly, but summarized
<raphael> Introduction of the document decomposed into 4
sub-sections
<raphael> 6.2 is the summary of all interoperability problems
encountered during the vaious use cases
<raphael> Raphael: are we able to do that from now ?
<raphael> Vassilis: yes, it will help the authors of the use cases
<mhausenb> IMO later (after stable UC)
<raphael> ACTION: Vassilis to clarify the content of section 6 and 9
and ask to use case authors precised contributions, on the mailling
list [recorded in
[47]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html#action19]
<mhausenb> any news?
5. F2F meeting
<raphael> please, all, fill the questionnaire !!!
<isti> bye !
<mhausenb> till next week, bye bye!
<raphael> Title: W3C Multimedia Semantics XG - Telecon 16-11-2006,
16:00 UTC
<raphael> Title: W3C Multimedia Semantics XG - Telecon 16-11-2006,
16:00 UTC
<raphael> Title: W3C Multimedia Semantics XG - Telecon 16-11-2006,
16:00 UTC
<raphael> Chairq: Jeff, Raphael
<raphael> Chairs: Jeff, Raphael
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Jeff and Vassilis to review
[48]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/wiki/Building_multimedial
_Semantic_Web_Applications [recorded in
[49]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html#action18]
[NEW] ACTION: Massimo & Suzanne to have draft ready for review
before December 1 [recorded in
[50]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html#action16]
[NEW] ACTION: Oscar and Jacco to draft more focussed use case before
December 1st [recorded in
[51]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html#action10]
[NEW] ACTION: Oscar, Jacco and Giovanni to make a first draft of the
use case by December 1st [recorded in
[52]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html#action09]
[NEW] ACTION: Raphael, Chris, Thierry: finish news UC draft before
Dec 1st. [recorded in
[53]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html#action11]
[NEW] ACTION: Susanne extent draft Photo UC before Dec 1 [recorded
in [54]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html#action13]
[NEW] ACTION: Tobias to send comments on Algorithm representation
Use case [recorded in
[55]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html#action17]
[NEW] ACTION: Vassilis et al to provide 1st draft MPEG-7 UC before
Dec 1. [recorded in
[56]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html#action12]
[NEW] ACTION: Vassilis to clarify the content of section 6 and 9 and
ask to use case authors precised contributions, on the mailling list
[recorded in
[57]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html#action19]
[NEW] ACTION: Vassilis to contact Ioannis about future of this UC
[recorded in
[58]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html#action15]
[NEW] ACTION: Vassilis to review all use cases [recorded in
[59]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html#action07]
[NEW] ACTION: Vassilis to suggest skype to Ioannis [recorded in
[60]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html#action14]
[48]
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/wiki/Building_multimedial_Semantic_Web_Applications
[PENDING] ACTION: Giovanni and Christian to maintain the Tools page
[recorded in
[61]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html#action03]
[PENDING] ACTION: Jacco to review the music use case [recorded in
[62]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html#action08]
[PENDING] ACTION: Jeff to review all use cases [recorded in
[63]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html#action06]
[PENDING] ACTION: Melli and Paul to do their wiki page [recorded in
[64]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html#action04]
[PENDING] ACTION: Michael to maintain the Vocabularies page
[recorded in
[65]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html#action02]
[PENDING] ACTION: Pasquale to maintain the Resources page [recorded
in [66]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html#action01]
[PENDING] ACTION: Raphael addresses the comments on "Image
Annotation on the Semantic Web document" [recorded in
[67]http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html#action05]
[End of minutes]
--
Raphaël Troncy
CWI (Centre for Mathematics and Computer Science),
Kruislaan 413, 1098 SJ Amsterdam, The Netherlands
e-mail: raphael.troncy@cwi.nl & raphael.troncy@gmail.com
Tel: +31 (0)20 - 592 4093
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