- From: Antoine Isaac <aisaac@few.vu.nl>
- Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 16:27:22 +0200
- To: public-xg-lld@w3.org
Thanks, Jeff! Antoine > I incorporated Antoine's suggestion: > > http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/index.php?title=Draft_Relevant_Technologies&diff=5135&oldid=5068 > > Jeff > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: public-xg-lld-request@w3.org [mailto:public-xg-lld- >> request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Antoine Isaac >> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 7:14 AM >> To: public-xg-lld@w3.org >> Subject: Re: AW: (regrets and schema.org) >> >> Hi, >> >> I've just read the new section. I find it nice, except for "has largely >> supplanted Microformats" bit. I'm not sure this is yet the case, even >> though things may be moving really fast. >> Couldn't we just remain neutral, and have "Microdata, which is defined >> with the new HTML5, provides another way of doing this."? >> >> Antoine >> >> >> >>> Hi William, hi Jeff, >>> >>> Thanks for getting this up so fast! >>> >>> A seperate section for Microdata, Microformats and RDFa is a very >> good thing, because lots of people will be concerned about making >> descisions on this. (Additionally, it is a good thing to drag RDFa out >> of the Content Management Systems section, since RDFa is not restricted >> to this field. The title and wording of the CMS section could be >> adapted accordingly.) As a further suggestion, the more vocabulary >> related Microdata/RDFa section should possibly precede the more >> development oriented about web application frameworks, cms and web >> services. >>> >>> Re. the contents, my feeling is that the situation offers a lot of >> options, which are not yet evaluated. One which perhaps should be >> mentioned in the text is mixing schema.org and genuine RDF >> vocabularies. This should be quite easy in RDFa: >>> >>> <div typeof="schema:ScholarlyArticle"> >>> <h2 property="schema:headline dc:title">Estimating the Effect of >>> ...</h2> >>> <p property="bibo:abstract">This paper uses the Five-Factor Model >> ...</p> >>> <span property="bibo:handle" >> content="http://hdl.handle.net/10419/20518"/> >>> ... >>> >>> This could be one of the possible ways to combine the expressiveness >> of library or other RDF vocabs with the schema.org classes and >> properties in order to optimize search engine visibility, which may be >> a main concern for many organizations. >>> >>> Since currently no proven best practices for combing the approaches >> exist (and their developement will heavily depend on experience with >> the search engines crawling and ranking mechanisms - which will evolve >> over time, too), we should mark that as an open field - while making a >> strong point that schema.org and RDF(a) should in no way be treated as >> mutually exclusive. >>> >>> Cheers, Joachim >>> >>> >>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >>> Von: public-xg-lld-request@w3.org [mailto:public-xg-lld- >> request@w3.org] Im Auftrag von William Waites >>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 16. Juni 2011 00:11 >>> An: Emmanuelle Bermes >>> Cc: public-xg-lld >>> Betreff: (regrets and schema.org) Re: Agenda - June 16 2011 - LLD XG >> telecon - 1000 EDT >>> >>> My apologies, I'll not be able to make the telecon tomorrow. >>> >>> Jeff and I have corresponded a bit about schema.org, and I've added >>> a short section to the Relevant Technologies section: >>> >>> >> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_Relevant_Technologies#M >> icroformats.2C_Microdata_and_RDFa >>> >>> The gist is: >>> >>> - microdata/schema.org is primarily intended for SEO >>> - schema.org's vocabulary is heavy in the tourism and commerce >> areas >>> and would need a lot of extension to do libraries >>> - there is some level of interoperability with schema.rdfs.org >>> - that interoperability only helps a little with interlinking >> different >>> library and other datasets >>> - it is possible to feed the search engines RDFa >>> - it is possible (modulo rumoured bugs) to feed the search engines >> both >>> RDFa and microdata from the same page >>> - if you can't do RDF and can't do RDFa then some schema.org is >> better >>> than nothing >>> >>> Cheers, >>> -w >>> >>> * [2011-06-15 22:56:20 +0200] Emmanuelle Bermes<manue@figoblog.org> >> écrit: >>> >>> ] Agenda - June 16 2011 - LLD XG telecon - 1000 EDT >>> ] >>> ] Time - >> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Telecons#Connection_info >>> ] http://www.w3.org/Guide/1998/08/teleconference- >> calendar.html#s_4061 >>> ] 0700 Seattle - 1000 New York - 1500 London - 1600 Paris - 2300 >> Kuala Lumpur >>> ] 2400 Tokyo - 0200 Sydney (next day) >>> ] >>> ] W3C Library Linked Data Incubator group: >>> ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/ - >> home page >>> ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/ - >> wiki >>> ] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/ - >> group list >>> ] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-lld/ - >> community list >>> ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Telecons - >> telecons >>> ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/RunningAgenda - >> "running agenda" >>> ] >>> ] Chair: Emmanuelle >>> ] Scribe: ? >>> ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/ScribeDuty >>> ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/Scribing.html - how to >>> ] Regrets: >>> ] >>> ] >> ====================================================================== >>> ] ADMIN >>> ] -- Minutes of previous telecons >>> ] PROPOSED: To accept >>> ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/06/09-lld- >> minutes.html >>> ] >>> ] -- Telecons - http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Telecons >>> ] 2011-06-23 Antoine (regrets Tom) >>> ] 2011-06-30 Emma (regrets Tom) >>> ] 2011-07-07 Emma (regrets Tom) >>> ] 2011-07-14 NO TELECON >>> ] 2011-07-21 Antoine (regrets Emma) >>> ] 2011-07-28 NO TELECON >>> ] 2011-08-04 Tom >>> ] 2011-08-11 NO TELECON >>> ] 2011-08-18 Antoine (regrets Emma) >>> ] 2011-08-25 final telecon (Tom) >>> ] >>> ] -- LOD-LAM summit (2011-06-02/03) >>> ] >>> ] ACTION: Tom to send email to the LOD-LAM participants and >> create >>> ] a final version of the presentation [recorded in >>> ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/26-lld- >> minutes.html#action01] >>> ] >>> ] >> ====================================================================== >>> ] FINAL REPORT >>> ] -- >> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/DraftReportWithTransclusion >>> ] -- >> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/DraftReportReviewerAssignment >> s >>> ] >>> ] ACTION: Antoine and Emmanuelle to talk about strategies for getting >>> ] comments at next call [recorded in >>> ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld- >> minutes.html#action15] >>> ] -- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg- >> lld/2011May/0051.html >>> ] -- posting to a blog ? >>> ] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Jun/0017.html >>> ] >>> ] Tom's proposal for a review strategy: >>> ] -- 2011-06-07: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg- >> lld/2011Jun/0002.html >>> ] -- 2011-06-09: discussion during call and refinement: >>> ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/06/09-lld- >> minutes.html >>> ] >>> ] ACTION: Co-chairs to draft message to the community about review >>> ] between 16 June and 20 July - post before next call, on 16 June >>> ] [recorded in >> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/06/09-lld- >> minutes.html#action02] >>> ] >>> ] ACTION: Jeff and William to propose text on microdata and >> schema.org - >>> ] where in the report it should be discussed [recorded in >>> ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/06/09-lld- >> minutes.html#action03] >>> ] >>> ] ------------------------------------------------------------------- >> --- >>> ] EXECUTIVE SUMMARY (tbd) >>> ] -- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/ExecutiveSummary >>> ] >>> ] ------------------------------------------------------------------- >> --- >>> ] "LIBRARY LINKED DATA": SCOPE OF THIS REPORT (Karen, Peter, Tom, >> Gordon, Jodi) >>> ] -- >> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Benefits#.22Library_Linked_Da >> ta.22:_Scope_of_this_report >>> ] >>> ] ACTION: everyone to read >>> ] >> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Benefits#.22Library_Linked_Da >> ta.22:_Scope_of_this_report >>> ] and do lightweight review [recorded in >>> ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld- >> minutes.html#action04] >>> ] >>> ] ACTION: Jodi to send email about Scope statement [recorded in >>> ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld- >> minutes.html#action05] >>> ] --DONE: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg- >> lld/2011May/0048.html >>> ] >>> ] ------------------------------------------------------------------- >> --- >>> ] BENEFITS OF LINKED DATA (Ed, Emmanuelle, Ross) >>> ] -- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Benefits >>> ] >>> ] ACTION: Karen to edit the Benefits section [recorded in >>> ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/26-lld- >> minutes.html#action06] >>> ] -- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg- >> lld/2011May/0080.html >>> ] >>> ] ACTION: Tom to ask Hideaki or Dickson to review >>> ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Benefits [recorded in >>> ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld- >> minutes.html#action06] >>> ] >>> ] ------------------------------------------------------------------- >> --- >>> ] AVAILABLE VOCABULARIES AND DATASETS (Antoine, Jeff, Marcia, >> William) >>> ] -- >> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_Vocabularies_Datasets_S >> ection >>> ] >>> ] ------------------------------------------------------------------- >> --- >>> ] RELEVANT TECHNOLOGIES (Jeff) >>> ] -- >> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_Relevant_Technologies >>> ] >>> ] ACTION: Gordon to review Relevant Technologies [recorded in >>> ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/06/09-lld- >> minutes.html#action04] >>> ] >>> ] ------------------------------------------------------------------- >> --- >>> ] IMPLEMENTATION CHALLENGES AND BARRIERS TO ADOPTION (Karen, Peter, >> Tom, >>> ] Gordon, Jodi) >>> ] -- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_issues_page >>> ] >>> ] ACTION: Gordon and Karen to consider relation between problems and >>> ] limitation section and the library resource wiki page. [recorded in >>> ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/03/24-lld- >> minutes.html#action01] >>> ] -- >> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Library_standards_and_linked_ >> data >>> ] -- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Library_Data_Resources >>> ] >>> ] ------------------------------------------------------------------- >> --- >>> ] RECOMMENDATIONS AND NEXT STEPS (Karen, Peter, Tom, Gordon, Jodi) >>> ] -- >> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_recommendations_page >>> ] >>> ] ACTION: Jeff to review >>> ] >> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_recommendations_page >>> ] for next week [recorded in >>> ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld- >> minutes.html#action12] >>> ] -- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-lld/2011May/0052.html >>> ] >>> ] ACTION: Tom to ask Dickson and Guenther if they could contribute >>> ] curriculum issues to the Recommendations Section [recorded in >>> ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld- >> minutes.html#action13] >>> ] >>> ] >> ====================================================================== >>> ] LIBRARY LINKED DATA: VOCABULARIES AND DATASETS - SEPARATE >> DELIVERABLE >>> ] (Antoine, Jeff, Marcia, William) >>> ] -- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Vocabulary_and_Dataset >>> ] Two Clouds: Metadata Element Sets and Datasets/Value >> Vocabularies >>> ] >>> ] >> ====================================================================== >>> ] USE CASES (Daniel) - SEPARATE DELIVERABLE >>> ] -- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/UseCaseReport >>> ] >>> ] ACTION: Jodi to review >>> ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/UseCaseReport for next >> week >>> ] [recorded in >> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld- >> minutes.html#action14] >>> ] >>> ] >> ====================================================================== >>> ] TRANSITION TO W3C COMMUNITY GROUP >>> ] -- http://www.w3.org/QA/2011/04/coming_soon_w3c_community_grou.html >>> ] See also http://www.w3.org/2010/12/community/final >>> ] >>> ] 2011-05-12: Should inform W3C of intent to transition by 1 August >> for >>> ] transition on 1 September. >>> ] >>> ] >> ====================================================================== >>> ] AOB >>> ] >>> >> >> > >
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