- From: Young,Jeff (OR) <jyoung@oclc.org>
- Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 10:43:56 -0400
- To: "Antoine Isaac" <aisaac@few.vu.nl>, <public-xg-lld@w3.org>
I incorporated Antoine's suggestion: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/index.php?title=Draft_Relevant_Technologies&diff=5135&oldid=5068 Jeff > -----Original Message----- > From: public-xg-lld-request@w3.org [mailto:public-xg-lld- > request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Antoine Isaac > Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 7:14 AM > To: public-xg-lld@w3.org > Subject: Re: AW: (regrets and schema.org) > > Hi, > > I've just read the new section. I find it nice, except for "has largely > supplanted Microformats" bit. I'm not sure this is yet the case, even > though things may be moving really fast. > Couldn't we just remain neutral, and have "Microdata, which is defined > with the new HTML5, provides another way of doing this."? > > Antoine > > > > > Hi William, hi Jeff, > > > > Thanks for getting this up so fast! > > > > A seperate section for Microdata, Microformats and RDFa is a very > good thing, because lots of people will be concerned about making > descisions on this. (Additionally, it is a good thing to drag RDFa out > of the Content Management Systems section, since RDFa is not restricted > to this field. The title and wording of the CMS section could be > adapted accordingly.) As a further suggestion, the more vocabulary > related Microdata/RDFa section should possibly precede the more > development oriented about web application frameworks, cms and web > services. > > > > Re. the contents, my feeling is that the situation offers a lot of > options, which are not yet evaluated. One which perhaps should be > mentioned in the text is mixing schema.org and genuine RDF > vocabularies. This should be quite easy in RDFa: > > > > <div typeof="schema:ScholarlyArticle"> > > <h2 property="schema:headline dc:title">Estimating the Effect of > > ...</h2> > > <p property="bibo:abstract">This paper uses the Five-Factor Model > ...</p> > > <span property="bibo:handle" > content="http://hdl.handle.net/10419/20518"/> > > ... > > > > This could be one of the possible ways to combine the expressiveness > of library or other RDF vocabs with the schema.org classes and > properties in order to optimize search engine visibility, which may be > a main concern for many organizations. > > > > Since currently no proven best practices for combing the approaches > exist (and their developement will heavily depend on experience with > the search engines crawling and ranking mechanisms - which will evolve > over time, too), we should mark that as an open field - while making a > strong point that schema.org and RDF(a) should in no way be treated as > mutually exclusive. > > > > Cheers, Joachim > > > > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: public-xg-lld-request@w3.org [mailto:public-xg-lld- > request@w3.org] Im Auftrag von William Waites > > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 16. Juni 2011 00:11 > > An: Emmanuelle Bermes > > Cc: public-xg-lld > > Betreff: (regrets and schema.org) Re: Agenda - June 16 2011 - LLD XG > telecon - 1000 EDT > > > > My apologies, I'll not be able to make the telecon tomorrow. > > > > Jeff and I have corresponded a bit about schema.org, and I've added > > a short section to the Relevant Technologies section: > > > > > http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_Relevant_Technologies#M > icroformats.2C_Microdata_and_RDFa > > > > The gist is: > > > > - microdata/schema.org is primarily intended for SEO > > - schema.org's vocabulary is heavy in the tourism and commerce > areas > > and would need a lot of extension to do libraries > > - there is some level of interoperability with schema.rdfs.org > > - that interoperability only helps a little with interlinking > different > > library and other datasets > > - it is possible to feed the search engines RDFa > > - it is possible (modulo rumoured bugs) to feed the search engines > both > > RDFa and microdata from the same page > > - if you can't do RDF and can't do RDFa then some schema.org is > better > > than nothing > > > > Cheers, > > -w > > > > * [2011-06-15 22:56:20 +0200] Emmanuelle Bermes<manue@figoblog.org> > écrit: > > > > ] Agenda - June 16 2011 - LLD XG telecon - 1000 EDT > > ] > > ] Time - > http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Telecons#Connection_info > > ] http://www.w3.org/Guide/1998/08/teleconference- > calendar.html#s_4061 > > ] 0700 Seattle - 1000 New York - 1500 London - 1600 Paris - 2300 > Kuala Lumpur > > ] 2400 Tokyo - 0200 Sydney (next day) > > ] > > ] W3C Library Linked Data Incubator group: > > ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/ - > home page > > ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/ - > wiki > > ] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/ - > group list > > ] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-lld/ - > community list > > ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Telecons - > telecons > > ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/RunningAgenda - > "running agenda" > > ] > > ] Chair: Emmanuelle > > ] Scribe: ? > > ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/ScribeDuty > > ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/Scribing.html - how to > > ] Regrets: > > ] > > ] > ====================================================================== > > ] ADMIN > > ] -- Minutes of previous telecons > > ] PROPOSED: To accept > > ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/06/09-lld- > minutes.html > > ] > > ] -- Telecons - http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Telecons > > ] 2011-06-23 Antoine (regrets Tom) > > ] 2011-06-30 Emma (regrets Tom) > > ] 2011-07-07 Emma (regrets Tom) > > ] 2011-07-14 NO TELECON > > ] 2011-07-21 Antoine (regrets Emma) > > ] 2011-07-28 NO TELECON > > ] 2011-08-04 Tom > > ] 2011-08-11 NO TELECON > > ] 2011-08-18 Antoine (regrets Emma) > > ] 2011-08-25 final telecon (Tom) > > ] > > ] -- LOD-LAM summit (2011-06-02/03) > > ] > > ] ACTION: Tom to send email to the LOD-LAM participants and > create > > ] a final version of the presentation [recorded in > > ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/26-lld- > minutes.html#action01] > > ] > > ] > ====================================================================== > > ] FINAL REPORT > > ] -- > http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/DraftReportWithTransclusion > > ] -- > http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/DraftReportReviewerAssignment > s > > ] > > ] ACTION: Antoine and Emmanuelle to talk about strategies for getting > > ] comments at next call [recorded in > > ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld- > minutes.html#action15] > > ] -- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg- > lld/2011May/0051.html > > ] -- posting to a blog ? > > ] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Jun/0017.html > > ] > > ] Tom's proposal for a review strategy: > > ] -- 2011-06-07: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg- > lld/2011Jun/0002.html > > ] -- 2011-06-09: discussion during call and refinement: > > ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/06/09-lld- > minutes.html > > ] > > ] ACTION: Co-chairs to draft message to the community about review > > ] between 16 June and 20 July - post before next call, on 16 June > > ] [recorded in > http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/06/09-lld- > minutes.html#action02] > > ] > > ] ACTION: Jeff and William to propose text on microdata and > schema.org - > > ] where in the report it should be discussed [recorded in > > ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/06/09-lld- > minutes.html#action03] > > ] > > ] ------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > > ] EXECUTIVE SUMMARY (tbd) > > ] -- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/ExecutiveSummary > > ] > > ] ------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > > ] "LIBRARY LINKED DATA": SCOPE OF THIS REPORT (Karen, Peter, Tom, > Gordon, Jodi) > > ] -- > http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Benefits#.22Library_Linked_Da > ta.22:_Scope_of_this_report > > ] > > ] ACTION: everyone to read > > ] > http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Benefits#.22Library_Linked_Da > ta.22:_Scope_of_this_report > > ] and do lightweight review [recorded in > > ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld- > minutes.html#action04] > > ] > > ] ACTION: Jodi to send email about Scope statement [recorded in > > ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld- > minutes.html#action05] > > ] --DONE: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg- > lld/2011May/0048.html > > ] > > ] ------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > > ] BENEFITS OF LINKED DATA (Ed, Emmanuelle, Ross) > > ] -- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Benefits > > ] > > ] ACTION: Karen to edit the Benefits section [recorded in > > ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/26-lld- > minutes.html#action06] > > ] -- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg- > lld/2011May/0080.html > > ] > > ] ACTION: Tom to ask Hideaki or Dickson to review > > ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Benefits [recorded in > > ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld- > minutes.html#action06] > > ] > > ] ------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > > ] AVAILABLE VOCABULARIES AND DATASETS (Antoine, Jeff, Marcia, > William) > > ] -- > http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_Vocabularies_Datasets_S > ection > > ] > > ] ------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > > ] RELEVANT TECHNOLOGIES (Jeff) > > ] -- > http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_Relevant_Technologies > > ] > > ] ACTION: Gordon to review Relevant Technologies [recorded in > > ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/06/09-lld- > minutes.html#action04] > > ] > > ] ------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > > ] IMPLEMENTATION CHALLENGES AND BARRIERS TO ADOPTION (Karen, Peter, > Tom, > > ] Gordon, Jodi) > > ] -- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_issues_page > > ] > > ] ACTION: Gordon and Karen to consider relation between problems and > > ] limitation section and the library resource wiki page. [recorded in > > ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/03/24-lld- > minutes.html#action01] > > ] -- > http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Library_standards_and_linked_ > data > > ] -- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Library_Data_Resources > > ] > > ] ------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > > ] RECOMMENDATIONS AND NEXT STEPS (Karen, Peter, Tom, Gordon, Jodi) > > ] -- > http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_recommendations_page > > ] > > ] ACTION: Jeff to review > > ] > http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_recommendations_page > > ] for next week [recorded in > > ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld- > minutes.html#action12] > > ] -- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-lld/2011May/0052.html > > ] > > ] ACTION: Tom to ask Dickson and Guenther if they could contribute > > ] curriculum issues to the Recommendations Section [recorded in > > ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld- > minutes.html#action13] > > ] > > ] > ====================================================================== > > ] LIBRARY LINKED DATA: VOCABULARIES AND DATASETS - SEPARATE > DELIVERABLE > > ] (Antoine, Jeff, Marcia, William) > > ] -- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Vocabulary_and_Dataset > > ] Two Clouds: Metadata Element Sets and Datasets/Value > Vocabularies > > ] > > ] > ====================================================================== > > ] USE CASES (Daniel) - SEPARATE DELIVERABLE > > ] -- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/UseCaseReport > > ] > > ] ACTION: Jodi to review > > ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/UseCaseReport for next > week > > ] [recorded in > http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld- > minutes.html#action14] > > ] > > ] > ====================================================================== > > ] TRANSITION TO W3C COMMUNITY GROUP > > ] -- http://www.w3.org/QA/2011/04/coming_soon_w3c_community_grou.html > > ] See also http://www.w3.org/2010/12/community/final > > ] > > ] 2011-05-12: Should inform W3C of intent to transition by 1 August > for > > ] transition on 1 September. > > ] > > ] > ====================================================================== > > ] AOB > > ] > > > >
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