- From: Young,Jeff (OR) <jyoung@oclc.org>
- Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 11:33:06 -0400
- To: "Neubert Joachim" <J.Neubert@zbw.eu>, "William Waites" <ww@styx.org>, "Emmanuelle Bermes" <manue@figoblog.org>
- Cc: "public-xg-lld" <public-xg-lld@w3.org>
Joachim, Thanks for the review. Here's the diff between versions that should account for all your points: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/index.php?title=Draft_Relevant_Technologies&diff=5140&oldid=5135 Specific details are below: > A seperate section for Microdata, Microformats and RDFa is a very good > thing, because lots of people will be concerned about making descisions > on this. (Additionally, it is a good thing to drag RDFa out of the > Content Management Systems section, since RDFa is not restricted to > this field. The title and wording of the CMS section could be adapted > accordingly.) As a further suggestion, the more vocabulary related > Microdata/RDFa section should possibly precede the more development > oriented about web application frameworks, cms and web services. Done. > Re. the contents, my feeling is that the situation offers a lot of > options, which are not yet evaluated. One which perhaps should be > mentioned in the text is mixing schema.org and genuine RDF > vocabularies. This should be quite easy in RDFa: > > <div typeof="schema:ScholarlyArticle"> > <h2 property="schema:headline dc:title">Estimating the Effect of > ...</h2> > <p property="bibo:abstract">This paper uses the Five-Factor Model > ...</p> > <span property="bibo:handle" > content="http://hdl.handle.net/10419/20518"/> > ... > > This could be one of the possible ways to combine the expressiveness of > library or other RDF vocabs with the schema.org classes and properties > in order to optimize search engine visibility, which may be a main > concern for many organizations. The general point seems to be addressed by this sentence: "Modulo bugs in the search engines' parsers it is even possible to do both in the same web page." I worry that giving a specific example would overstate the relative importance RDFa. I would be willing to add it, though, if someone feels strongly about it. > > Since currently no proven best practices for combing the approaches > exist (and their developement will heavily depend on experience with > the search engines crawling and ranking mechanisms - which will evolve > over time, too), we should mark that as an open field - while making a > strong point that schema.org and RDF(a) should in no way be treated as > mutually exclusive. I think this is the intended take-away for this specific section: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_Relevant_Technologies#Microformats.2C_Microdata_and_RDFa. I agree the message could probably be clearer, though. Jeff > > Cheers, Joachim > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: public-xg-lld-request@w3.org [mailto:public-xg-lld-request@w3.org] > Im Auftrag von William Waites > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 16. Juni 2011 00:11 > An: Emmanuelle Bermes > Cc: public-xg-lld > Betreff: (regrets and schema.org) Re: Agenda - June 16 2011 - LLD XG > telecon - 1000 EDT > > My apologies, I'll not be able to make the telecon tomorrow. > > Jeff and I have corresponded a bit about schema.org, and I've added > a short section to the Relevant Technologies section: > > http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_Relevant_Technologies#M > icroformats.2C_Microdata_and_RDFa > > The gist is: > > - microdata/schema.org is primarily intended for SEO > - schema.org's vocabulary is heavy in the tourism and commerce areas > and would need a lot of extension to do libraries > - there is some level of interoperability with schema.rdfs.org > - that interoperability only helps a little with interlinking > different > library and other datasets > - it is possible to feed the search engines RDFa > - it is possible (modulo rumoured bugs) to feed the search engines > both > RDFa and microdata from the same page > - if you can't do RDF and can't do RDFa then some schema.org is > better > than nothing > > Cheers, > -w > > * [2011-06-15 22:56:20 +0200] Emmanuelle Bermes <manue@figoblog.org> > écrit: > > ] Agenda - June 16 2011 - LLD XG telecon - 1000 EDT > ] > ] Time - > http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Telecons#Connection_info > ] http://www.w3.org/Guide/1998/08/teleconference- > calendar.html#s_4061 > ] 0700 Seattle - 1000 New York - 1500 London - 1600 Paris - 2300 > Kuala Lumpur > ] 2400 Tokyo - 0200 Sydney (next day) > ] > ] W3C Library Linked Data Incubator group: > ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/ - home > page > ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/ - wiki > ] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/ - group > list > ] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-lld/ - > community list > ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Telecons - > telecons > ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/RunningAgenda - > "running agenda" > ] > ] Chair: Emmanuelle > ] Scribe: ? > ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/ScribeDuty > ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/Scribing.html - how to > ] Regrets: > ] > ] > ====================================================================== > ] ADMIN > ] -- Minutes of previous telecons > ] PROPOSED: To accept > ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/06/09-lld- > minutes.html > ] > ] -- Telecons - http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Telecons > ] 2011-06-23 Antoine (regrets Tom) > ] 2011-06-30 Emma (regrets Tom) > ] 2011-07-07 Emma (regrets Tom) > ] 2011-07-14 NO TELECON > ] 2011-07-21 Antoine (regrets Emma) > ] 2011-07-28 NO TELECON > ] 2011-08-04 Tom > ] 2011-08-11 NO TELECON > ] 2011-08-18 Antoine (regrets Emma) > ] 2011-08-25 final telecon (Tom) > ] > ] -- LOD-LAM summit (2011-06-02/03) > ] > ] ACTION: Tom to send email to the LOD-LAM participants and create > ] a final version of the presentation [recorded in > ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/26-lld- > minutes.html#action01] > ] > ] > ====================================================================== > ] FINAL REPORT > ] -- > http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/DraftReportWithTransclusion > ] -- > http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/DraftReportReviewerAssignment > s > ] > ] ACTION: Antoine and Emmanuelle to talk about strategies for getting > ] comments at next call [recorded in > ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld- > minutes.html#action15] > ] -- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg- > lld/2011May/0051.html > ] -- posting to a blog ? > ] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Jun/0017.html > ] > ] Tom's proposal for a review strategy: > ] -- 2011-06-07: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg- > lld/2011Jun/0002.html > ] -- 2011-06-09: discussion during call and refinement: > ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/06/09-lld- > minutes.html > ] > ] ACTION: Co-chairs to draft message to the community about review > ] between 16 June and 20 July - post before next call, on 16 June > ] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/06/09- > lld-minutes.html#action02] > ] > ] ACTION: Jeff and William to propose text on microdata and schema.org > - > ] where in the report it should be discussed [recorded in > ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/06/09-lld- > minutes.html#action03] > ] > ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > ] EXECUTIVE SUMMARY (tbd) > ] -- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/ExecutiveSummary > ] > ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > ] "LIBRARY LINKED DATA": SCOPE OF THIS REPORT (Karen, Peter, Tom, > Gordon, Jodi) > ] -- > http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Benefits#.22Library_Linked_Da > ta.22:_Scope_of_this_report > ] > ] ACTION: everyone to read > ] > http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Benefits#.22Library_Linked_Da > ta.22:_Scope_of_this_report > ] and do lightweight review [recorded in > ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld- > minutes.html#action04] > ] > ] ACTION: Jodi to send email about Scope statement [recorded in > ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld- > minutes.html#action05] > ] --DONE: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg- > lld/2011May/0048.html > ] > ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > ] BENEFITS OF LINKED DATA (Ed, Emmanuelle, Ross) > ] -- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Benefits > ] > ] ACTION: Karen to edit the Benefits section [recorded in > ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/26-lld- > minutes.html#action06] > ] -- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg- > lld/2011May/0080.html > ] > ] ACTION: Tom to ask Hideaki or Dickson to review > ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Benefits [recorded in > ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld- > minutes.html#action06] > ] > ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > ] AVAILABLE VOCABULARIES AND DATASETS (Antoine, Jeff, Marcia, William) > ] -- > http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_Vocabularies_Datasets_S > ection > ] > ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > ] RELEVANT TECHNOLOGIES (Jeff) > ] -- > http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_Relevant_Technologies > ] > ] ACTION: Gordon to review Relevant Technologies [recorded in > ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/06/09-lld- > minutes.html#action04] > ] > ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > ] IMPLEMENTATION CHALLENGES AND BARRIERS TO ADOPTION (Karen, Peter, > Tom, > ] Gordon, Jodi) > ] -- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_issues_page > ] > ] ACTION: Gordon and Karen to consider relation between problems and > ] limitation section and the library resource wiki page. [recorded in > ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/03/24-lld- > minutes.html#action01] > ] -- > http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Library_standards_and_linked_ > data > ] -- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Library_Data_Resources > ] > ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > ] RECOMMENDATIONS AND NEXT STEPS (Karen, Peter, Tom, Gordon, Jodi) > ] -- > http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_recommendations_page > ] > ] ACTION: Jeff to review > ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_recommendations_page > ] for next week [recorded in > ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld- > minutes.html#action12] > ] -- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-lld/2011May/0052.html > ] > ] ACTION: Tom to ask Dickson and Guenther if they could contribute > ] curriculum issues to the Recommendations Section [recorded in > ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld- > minutes.html#action13] > ] > ] > ====================================================================== > ] LIBRARY LINKED DATA: VOCABULARIES AND DATASETS - SEPARATE DELIVERABLE > ] (Antoine, Jeff, Marcia, William) > ] -- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Vocabulary_and_Dataset > ] Two Clouds: Metadata Element Sets and Datasets/Value Vocabularies > ] > ] > ====================================================================== > ] USE CASES (Daniel) - SEPARATE DELIVERABLE > ] -- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/UseCaseReport > ] > ] ACTION: Jodi to review > ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/UseCaseReport for next week > ] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19- > lld-minutes.html#action14] > ] > ] > ====================================================================== > ] TRANSITION TO W3C COMMUNITY GROUP > ] -- http://www.w3.org/QA/2011/04/coming_soon_w3c_community_grou.html > ] See also http://www.w3.org/2010/12/community/final > ] > ] 2011-05-12: Should inform W3C of intent to transition by 1 August for > ] transition on 1 September. > ] > ] > ====================================================================== > ] AOB > ] > > -- > William Waites <mailto:ww@styx.org> > http://river.styx.org/ww/ <sip:ww@styx.org> > F4B3 39BF E775 CF42 0BAB 3DF0 BE40 A6DF B06F FD45 > >
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