- From: Uldis Bojars <captsolo@gmail.com>
- Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 15:04:30 +0200
- To: public-xg-lld <public-xg-lld@w3.org>
Hi,
The minutes of the most recent LLD conference call are at
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/01/13-lld-minutes.html
A text version of minutes follows.
Uldis
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[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
LLD XG
13 Jan 2011
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Jan/0055.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2011/01/13-lld-irc
Attendees
Present
TomB, Antoine, monica, jeff_, Kcoyle, pmurray, uldis, marcia,
michaelp, rsinger, kai, emma, kefo, edsu, GordonD, jneubert,
digikim, Jodi
Regrets
anette, lars, felix, asaf, ray
Chair
Tom
Scribe
uldis
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Admin
2. [6]Report from ALA Mid-Winter and LITA/ALCTS actions
3. [7]Use Cases
* [8]Summary of Action Items
_________________________________________________________
<TomB> Previous:
[9]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/01/06-lld-minut
es.html
[9] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/01/06-lld-minutes.html
<TomB> Scribe: uldis
Admin
propose to accept minutes of last week's telco
resolved
<emma> RESOLVED: To accept
[10]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/01/06-lld-minu
tes.html
[10] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/01/06-lld-minutes.html
Tom: start with report from Karen
Report from ALA Mid-Winter and LITA/ALCTS actions
2nd time held a meeting at NALA
included people from LOC
enough signatures to turn it into an official ALA interest group.
will be in the program, meet twice a year
kcoyle: did gap analysis. will establish a discussion area, post it
online
<digikim> lol, data speeddating :)
kcoyle: came up with the idea for "data speed-dating" events
<emma> +1 for data speed-dating ;-)
<digikim> +1
kcoyle: there's interest in developing LLD
... people surprised we received no use cases re traditional library
data (re MARC, RDA, ...)
... a lack of the way for to move what we have today into linked
data
... wrote 2 reports: on SemWeb (award for best report) and on RDA
congrats! :)
<GordonD> I can add a use-case for migrating from legacy records
(MARC, etc.) to the BibData cluster
scribe: will we do something re traditional library data?
... will send a link for a report from the meeting.
<antoine> [11]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Vocabularies
[11] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Vocabularies
antoine: asking about lack of traditional library data use cases.
RDA is mentioned in ~3 use cases.
kcoyle: will look into it.
<GordonD> I think we need something specific about legacy data and
migrating to lld
kcoyle: i think what people expected was a use case about that
<rsinger> formally?
TomB: can we add an action re this?
<GordonD> I've already volunteered
<rsinger> yeah, i'll definitely volunteer
<jodi> Gordan++
<GordonD> Yes, please action this to me
<scribe> ACTION: Gordon and Ross to review use cases in light of
migration of legacy data [recorded in
[12]http://www.w3.org/2011/01/13-lld-minutes.html#action01]
[12] http://www.w3.org/2011/01/13-lld-minutes.html#action01
<GordonD> Tom - you missed out the Collections cluster
Use Cases
<scribe> ACTION: TomB to link cluster pages to
[13]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/FinalReportOutline --
done [recorded in
[14]http://www.w3.org/2011/01/13-lld-minutes.html#action02][DONE]
[13] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/FinalReportOutline
[14] http://www.w3.org/2011/01/13-lld-minutes.html#action02
<marcia> we have a UC
[15]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Use_Case_Linked_Data_a
nd_legacy_library_applications
[15] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Use_Case_Linked_Data_and_legacy_library_applications
<marcia> a UC by uldis
TomB: vocabulary alignment
... onging action by Antoine and Michael
... main topic for this week
<TomB> ACTION: Antoine and Michael to curate vocabulary alignment
cluster for end of December [recorded in
[16]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/23-lld-minu
tes.html#action07] [CONTINUES]
[16] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/23-lld-minutes.html#action07
antoine: vocabulary alignment cluster joined by Marcia who
contributed
... cluster motivation: many institutions have specific vocabs to
describe their collections
... different metadata schemas
... various thesauri, classification systems
... causes problems for managing that data. objective: to solve the
problem of access to collections by end-users.
... use cases where users want to access multiple collections, via
unified access points.
... examples: Europeana, other integrated search services
... need to relate these vocabularies
... applies both to search and exploring collections
... also has metadata management scenarios. for creating new
vocabularies or matching existing vocabs.
... one specific cases concerned with that
... match between these motivations and the linked data
<Zakim> TomB, you wanted to ask whether "alignment" should include
also element sets and datasets
TomB: cluster is defined about vocabulary alignment, but noted in
text it is also true for metadata elem set alignment
... is alignment of data sets also covered here (or somewhere else?)
<marcia> Tom: do you mean to change to 'alignment' regardless of if
it is on the vocabulary level or value level?
antoine: both alignment of vocabs and element sets.
... don't have use cases that talk about data sets
<rsinger> Sorry, everybody, need to bow out for another meeting.
antoine: received a number of case studies in this cluster
<GordonD> The BibData has a de-duplication use-case, but it is at
record level, not lld
antoine: identified other cases relevant to the cluster
<antoine>
[17]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Cluster_VocAlign_Relev
antCases
[17] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Cluster_VocAlign_RelevantCases
antoine: collected in this link all the cases from cluster which are
relevant. some could be about data sets.
<Zakim> emma, you wanted to talk about similarities with Archives
emma: in archives cluster one of main topics of interest: archives
want to relate their objects with one another
... aligning value vocabularies. similar to this cluster.
<Zakim> TomB, you wanted to suggest analytical approach to "relevant
technologies"
michaelp: looking at relevant technologies for merging vocabularies.
need analytic view to various approaches.
... have links to various services, frameworks.
... ... by technical approaches - how they are making and publishing
mappings
<Zakim> michaelp, you wanted to mention problems with defining data
set alignment
michaelp: should be careful with what we define as aligning data
sets and vocabularies
... there's big overlap. very real issue.
... but in vocab alignment you establish more semantic
relationships. there similarity with data sets ends.
TomB: also an issue with provenance information (in the notes)
... Marcia, Antoine: what further input is needed on this call or on
the list
... how close are to having the action done and having a draft?
<marcia> We have two cases seemed to belong to other clusters
antoine: would like to have input re selection of cases
... problem: have 2 cases where did not see a link with vocab
alignment
... subject search
... component vocabularies
... if could have input from people who created them
... worked on stabilizing scenarios
... concept-based search; mediation between vocabs; vocab emerging
... also relation to an interesting use case for natural language
processing
scribe: trying to organize and validate the problems section
<marcia> maybe we can also summarize the types of alignment
'parties'.
TomB: please post a message to curators of use cases (re cases where
don't see a link)
<marcia> +Antoine. Great report.
CLUSTER Archives and heterogeneous data
<kcoyle> done
<scribe> ACTION: Kcoyle to see if Archives cluster reveals problems
or limitations -- things missing from the available technology that
would make LLD implementable [DONE] [recorded in
[18]http://www.w3.org/2011/01/13-lld-minutes.html#action04]
[18] http://www.w3.org/2011/01/13-lld-minutes.html#action04
kcoyle: action completed, sent to the list
<jodi>
[19]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/index.php?title=Cluste
r_VocAlign&oldid=2627#Problems_and_limitations
[19] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/index.php?title=Cluster_VocAlign&oldid=2627#Problems_and_limitations
<TomB>
[20]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Jan/0034.h
tml
[20] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Jan/0034.html
kcoyle: other cluster has those. suggest that all clusters see what
gaps, problems are there and send to Karen
... Karen can put them together
<marcia> Karen: Antoine organized those gaps according to your
category/outline.
[21]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Cluster_VocAlign
[21] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Cluster_VocAlign
TomB: so that we have something comparable between clusters.
TomB: should assume actions carried forward?
<GordonD> +1
<emma> ok
TomB: yes
CLUSTER Bibliographic data
scribe: put on the agenda for next week
<scribe> ACTION: Gordon and Martin to curate bibliographic data
cluster for end of December [recorded in
[22]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/23-lld-minu
tes.html#action05][CONTINUES]
[22] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/23-lld-minutes.html#action05
CLUSTER Authority data: curators Jeff, Alex
scribe: re document in google docs. a time estimate?
who was speaking?
jeff_: at least couple of weeks off
CLUSTER Citations: curators Ed, Kai, Peter
<pmurray> No update
<pmurray> I think we are done at the moment.
TomB: what is status on this cluster?
<pmurray> Unless there are outstanding questions, we're done.
TomB: work is done
<emma> add a problems & limitation section ?
CLUSTER Digital objects: curators Mark, Jodi, Asaf
TomB: estimate was next week. status update?
... candidate for discussion the week after next
jodi: that's fine
<antoine> Tom we lost you!
<antoine> Can you reconnect?
<antoine> OK
antoine: was action to incorporate a use case re map archive
<scribe> ACTION: Curators of Archives and Digital Objects clusters
to incorporate Use Case NLL Digitized Map Archive
[23]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Use_Case_NLL_Digitized
_Map_Archive [recorded in
[24]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/01/06-lld-minu
tes.html#action12] [DONE]
[23] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Use_Case_NLL_Digitized_Map_Archive
[24] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/01/06-lld-minutes.html#action12
<kcoyle> yes
<kcoyle> but you are him
TomB is back
jodi: action done, incorporated into the digital obj cluster
<scribe> NEW CLUSTER Social uses (Uldis, Jodi)
jodi: put together a call for use cases
<antoine> Uldis: we have written a draft
<antoine> ... we'll send it to the group to see if there are
suggestions from the group
<GordonD> Collections cluster should be finished by the end of
January
<scribe> NEW CLUSTER Collections (Gordon)
TomB: pointed to outlines. is there a wiki page?
<jodi>
[25]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Cluster_Collections
[25] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Cluster_Collections
GordonD: there is start of wiki page
<Zakim> antoine, you wanted to ask about volunteers on this cluster?
GordonD: can link to it.
<kcoyle> i will
GordonD: looking for volunteed for the cluster
<TomB> karen++ !
kcoyle: will join the cluster
<scribe> ACTION: GordonD to curate collection cluster [recorded in
[26]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/01/06-lld-minu
tes.html#action11][CONTINUES]
[26] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/01/06-lld-minutes.html#action11
INDIVIDUAL USE CASES
TomB: an action for each use case curator
<antoine>
<scribe> ACTION: For each use case curator: on the Vocabularies page
([27]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Vocabularies) link to
each URL use case that uses it [recorded in
[28]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/23-lld-minu
tes.html#action01] does it need to be continued?
[27] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Vocabularies)
[28] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/23-lld-minutes.html#action01
<emma> I just added the Collections Cluster page to the final report
outline
UNKNOWN_SPEAKER: do we need to link each use case that uses
particular vocab to the vocab page?
... or can the action be dropped.
<kcoyle> i'm not clear what the purpose is... i also think it could
be considered done
antoine: action is done
<GordonD> Generally, any new use cases added need to remember to
update terminologies/vocabularies/links, etc.
<marcia> + Gordon
<kcoyle> no list will be complete -- this is good enough
TomB: decided to drop the action
<scribe> ACTION: For each use case curator: on the Vocabularies page
([29]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Vocabularies) link to
each URL use case that uses it [recorded in
[30]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/23-lld-minu
tes.html#action01] [DONE]
[29] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Vocabularies)
[30] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/23-lld-minutes.html#action01
TomB: end of today's agenda. any other comments?
... topic next week = bibliographic data
<jeff_>
[31]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Jan/0037.h
tml
[31] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Jan/0037.html
jeff_: has an action that's done
<scribe> ACTION: Jeff to write one or two paragraphs on VIAF design
discussions as per
[32]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-lld/2010Oct/0107.html
[recorded in
[33]http://www.w3.org/2010/11/18-lld-minutes.html#action06] [DONE]
[32] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-lld/2010Oct/0107.html
[33] http://www.w3.org/2010/11/18-lld-minutes.html#action06
<scribe> --done
TomB: thought that design discussion also talked re relation b/w
authority data and real-world objects
... this issue needs to be covered (but can be covered in the
authority data cluster)
... this was telco #24
... we have 15-20 telcos left
... no concrete plans for F2F. we're in good shape, clusters are
looking good.
<scribe> ... finished for the week
<kcoyle> uldis - great job!
<michaelp> Thanks!
kcoyle - cheers! :)
<emma> thanks Uldis :-)
<marcia> uldis , great
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Gordon and Ross to review use cases in light of
migration of legacy data [recorded in
[34]http://www.w3.org/2011/01/13-lld-minutes.html#action01]
[34] http://www.w3.org/2011/01/13-lld-minutes.html#action01
[DONE] ACTION: Curators of Archives and Digital Objects clusters to
incorporate Use Case NLL Digitized Map Archive
[35]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Use_Case_NLL_Digitized
_Map_Archive [recorded in
[36]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/01/06-lld-minu
tes.html#action12]
[DONE] ACTION: For each use case curator: on the Vocabularies page
([37]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Vocabularies) link to
each URL use case that uses it [recorded in
[38]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/23-lld-minu
tes.html#action01]
[DONE] ACTION: Kcoyle to see if Archives cluster reveals problems or
limitations -- things missing from the available technology that
would make LLD implementable [recorded in
[39]http://www.w3.org/2011/01/13-lld-minutes.html#action04]
[DONE] ACTION: TomB to link cluster pages to
[40]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/FinalReportOutline
[recorded in
[41]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/01/06-lld-minu
tes.html#action05]
[DONE] ACTION: Jeff to write one or two paragraphs on VIAF design
discussions as per
[42]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-lld/2010Oct/0107.html
[recorded in
[43]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/11/18-lld-minu
tes.html#action06]
[35] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Use_Case_NLL_Digitized_Map_Archive
[36] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/01/06-lld-minutes.html#action12
[37] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Vocabularies
[38] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/23-lld-minutes.html#action01
[39] http://www.w3.org/2011/01/13-lld-minutes.html#action04
[40] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/FinalReportOutline
[42] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-lld/2010Oct/0107.html
[43] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/11/18-lld-minutes.html#action06
[End of minutes]
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