- From: Panzer,Michael <panzerm@oclc.org>
- Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 12:12:46 -0400
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Hi everyone,
The minutes of our last telecon are at
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/18-lld-minutes.html
.
A text version follows.
Cheers,
Michael
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[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
LLD XG
18 Aug 2011
[2]Agenda
[2]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Aug/0065.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2011/08/18-lld-irc
Attendees
Present
tbaker, jeff_, antoine, michaelp, marcia, kcoyle, pmurray,
edsu, rsinger
Regrets
Gordon, Jodi, Lars, Kai, Uldis, Jeff
Chair
Tom
Scribe
michaelp
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Admin
2. [6]Public Comments
3. [7]Deliverables
4. [8]Actions related to deliverables
5. [9]Finalization of report
6. [10]Stanford Workshop
7. [11]Transition to Community Group
* [12]Summary of Action Items
_________________________________________________________
<tbaker> Previous:
[13]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/11-lld-minu
tes.html
[13]
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/11-lld-minutes.html
yes
yes sure
<tbaker> scribe: michaelp
<tbaker> scribenick: michaelp
Admin
Tom: No objection to the minites?
... Minutes accepted
... Future telecons
... We can continue to use the telecon slot for coordinating the
editing.
Public Comments
Tom: We had an action to keep track of comments
<scribe> ACTION: Emma to keep track of comments through AUG. 11
[recorded in
[14]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/04-lld-minu
tes.html#action03] [DONE]
[14]
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/04-lld-minutes.html
#action03
<scribe> ACTION: Jodi to make an alternative transclusion [recorded
in
[15]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/04-lld-minu
tes.html#action04] [DONE]
[15]
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/04-lld-minutes.html
#action04
<scribe> see
[16]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/DraftReportWithTranscl
usion
[16]
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/DraftReportWithTransclusion
Tom: At some point, we have to stop taking major comments into
consideration.
... I think we need to close the action to watch for substantial
comments.
... However, we need somebody who is willing to watch the mailing
list and blog.
... This person should announce that we are transitioning to
finalizing the report.
<antoine> +1 for closing the action
Karen: Any comments that appear on the list become discussions on
the list. No special reply needed.
Tom: Should we post note to the list that comment period has ended?
Karen: Yes.
<marcia> *+
<marcia> Agree Karen
<scribe> ACTION: Tom to post an announcement to the list that
comment period has ended [recorded in
[17]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/18-lld-minu
tes.html#action03]
<scribe> ACTION: Editors of each section should watch for
substantial comments to their section [recorded in
[18]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/06/30-lld-minu
tes.html#action06] [DONE]
[18]
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/06/30-lld-minutes.html
#action06
Deliverables
<kcoyle> yes to title -
Tom: We don't have a title for the report yet, but I would propose
"Library Linked Data Incubator Group Final Report: W3C Incubator
Group Report xx September 2011"
<antoine> +1 to title: not exciting but explicit...
<Emma> +1
Tom: We have to write acknowledgements first.
... We should have brief discussions who to include from inside and
outside the working group.
<kcoyle> I think the chairs should do it
<antoine> me is volunteering
Tom: Who is willing to take on an action to draft acknowledgements?
<edsu> +1 for chairs
<scribe> ACTION: Tom and Antoine to draft acknowledgements.
[recorded in
[19]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/18-lld-minu
tes.html#action06]
<antoine> it would look like
[20]http://www.w3.org/TR/skos-primer/#secack, probably
[20] http://www.w3.org/TR/skos-primer/#secack
<kcoyle> listing editors seems pretty neutral
<antoine> together with a quite complete listing of editors and
contributors from XG
<marcia> maybe include also whoever were invited to our telecons
<kcoyle> antoine, yes
<antoine> @marcia: maybe we could ack people related to JISC and
UKOLN who came and gave us some light
<edsu> is the draft available yet? sorry if it has been announced
and i just missed it
UNKNOWN_SPEAKER: Main part of the report: Executive summary. We have
to find a date next week to look at the sumamry together.
<antoine> @edsu: the latest version is still at
[21]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/DraftReportWithTranscl
usion
[21]
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/DraftReportWithTransclusion
<edsu> antoine: thnx
Karen: The group should feel free to edit before the call.
Tom: I volunteered to write an introductory paragraph. Still to be
done.
<rsinger> better late than never, i guess
<rsinger> ugh
<edsu> lol :)
Tom: We received comment on "Current situtation" we have to take
into account
<antoine>
[22]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/DraftReportWithTranscl
usion#Data_availability
[22]
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/DraftReportWithTransclusion#Da
ta_availability
Antoine: Just wanted to check that general size and tone of new
edits is fitting to the other parts in this section.
<Emma> I sent comments this morning re: current situation, but I
also offered to make the changes if the comments make sense to you
guys.
Ross: Benefits section. Something was completely lost that was in
the comments.
... It is the stew that matters not the individual components for
linked data. All has to come together.
... This is not reflected in the section.
<antoine> ross++ it is bad if we entirely lost the "stone stew"
message
<marcia> +1 for Ross' observation
<edsu> maybe we just need a stone soup of some happy people eating
stone soup :)
<scribe> ACTION: Ross to propose sentence about sum being more than
the parts [recorded in
[23]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/18-lld-minu
tes.html#action07]
<edsu> s/graphice/graphic/
<kcoyle> just appendices is fine
Tom: Technical Appendix. How do we want to set this apart in the
final version?
<antoine> +1
<rsinger> edsu: or a very long footnote explaining how the stone
does not refer explicitly to MARC, unless that's how you want to
read it, etc.
<rsinger> edsu: VERY long footnote
Tom: How do we mark this as "technical"?
<antoine> Just "appendix"
<marcia> 'Part II"?
<rsinger> +1 to "just appendix"
Michael: +1 to just call it "Appendix"
<Emma> +1 for appendix
<pmurray> +1 Agreed.
<antoine> will do
Tom: Ok, decided.
<marcia> I think we answered all comments and suggestions, including
from blog.
Antoine: We still have some outstanding comments for vocabs and
datasets.
<antoine> almost :-)
Tom: Deliverable B: Use Cases
... Antoine: I would not object to Daniel being the sole editor.
... But all contributors to the cluster should be listed.
... A lot of work went into these pages.
... Maybe Antoine and I could make a proposal how to handle the
naming of contributors for the use cases?
Antoine: Overlap with general contributors will be quite large.
Tom: We can also ask Daniel and Jodi.
<antoine> I think so
Tom: Deliverable C: Title and editors OK?
<marcia> Set = Sets
Tom: No objections. Default will stand.
<marcia> title missing a 's'
<marcia> Deliverable C "W3C Library Linked Data Incubator Group:
Datasets, Value Vocabularies, and Metadata Element Set" -- "Sets"
Actions related to deliverables
<scribe> ACTION: Karen, Tom, Michael, and Gordon to write the
executive summary [recorded in
[24]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/21-lld-minu
tes.html#action05] [CONTINUED]
[24]
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/21-lld-minutes.html
#action05
<scribe> ACTION: Karen and Emma to write a sentence adding cultural
and memory institutions together in some way [recorded in
[25]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minu
tes.html#action03] [CONTINUED]
[25]
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minutes.html
#action03
<scribe> ACTION: Editors of Benefits to meet and work on the
comments. [recorded in
[26]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/04-lld-minu
tes.html#action07] [DONE]
[26]
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/04-lld-minutes.html
#action07
<scribe> ACTION: Karen will track items from former "issues" and
"recommendations" that belong to benefits [recorded in
[27]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/04-lld-minu
tes.html#action08] [DONE]
[27]
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/04-lld-minutes.html
#action08
<scribe> ACTION: Jeff to integrate more refined view of
non-resolvable URIs and linking. [recorded in
[28]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/21-lld-minu
tes.html#action08] [DONE]
[28]
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/21-lld-minutes.html
#action08
<tbaker>
[29]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/index.php?title=Draft_
Relevant_Technologies&diff=5746&oldid=5294 - Jeff on URIs
[29]
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/index.php?title=Draft_Relevant
_Technologies&diff=5746&oldid=5294
<scribe> ACTION: Karen will convene issues and recommendations group
to identify things that need to be discussed with larger group for
July 21 meeting [recorded in
[30]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minu
tes.html#action04] [DONE]
[30]
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minutes.html
#action04
<scribe> ACTION: Karen and Antoine to relate Library Data Resources
and Library Standards and Linked data [recorded in
[31]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/06/16-lld-minu
tes.html#action12] [DONE]
[31]
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/06/16-lld-minutes.html
#action12
<scribe> ACTION: Emma to review Use Cases and make comments
[recorded in
[32]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minu
tes.html#action07] [CONTINUED]
[32]
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minutes.html
#action07
Finalization of report
Tom: We have remaining writing tasks as discussed above.
... We need to declare the comment period closed.
... Next week, we need to start moving thing over to HTML.
... Go/No-go vote next week + final quality checks.
... We have to trust the editors whether things are ready to be
moved over to HTML
Karen: Isn't this part of the editorial work anyway?
Tom: It would be nice to have third parties look over it, but we
don't seem to have enough resources.
... So we will rely on the editors.
<kcoyle> where does the html live? w3c site?
Tom: Moving wiki docs over to HTML: Ideally, we should have
volunteers that have experience with this.
<tbaker> How to migrate from wiki to HTML
[33]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Publishing_Incubator_G
roup_Documents
[33]
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Publishing_Incubator_Group_Doc
uments
<pmurray> Seems straightforward enough to do...
<kcoyle> wouldn't it be easier to just take the wiki stuff as text?
<pmurray> Put me down as helping with that.
<kcoyle> it should be easy to code the text up
Karen: Given that our doc is mostly text, we could just grab text an
then mark it up.
Tom: We also have to run it through the publication checker.
... To make sure it conform to W3C standards
... Chairs will be involved. Karen and Peter also.
<scribe> ACTION: Chairs, Karen, Peter to migrate wiki content to
HTML [recorded in
[34]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/18-lld-minu
tes.html#action16]
Tom: Response to the list on how LLD XG handled comments?
Antoine: We cannot generally acknowledge comments individually.
<Emma> Maybe say a word about comments handling in the methodology
section of the report ?
Tom: We can point to where we acknowledged the comments summarily
and can respond that we took all into consideration.
... We can add a sentence about comment handling in introductory
remarks.
Antoine: Should I still send draft mails for specific comments to my
section?
<scribe> ACTION: Chairs to prepare press release with W3C [recorded
in
[35]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/18-lld-minu
tes.html#action17]
Stanford Workshop
Tom: Any comments?
<antoine> I've not heard about activity there...
Transition to Community Group
<antoine> Anyone going to LOD-LAM-DC?
Tom: We will have to close out the XG in order to be able to
transition to community group, but we have not identified any
leaders yet.
<Emma> a lot of people asked me about it at IFLA
<kcoyle> haven't heard about lod-lam-dc. got a link?
<marcia> There is an email about LAM-DC
Tom: I follow up with Jon Voss about this.
<edsu> jon voss' event in december
[36]http://lod-lam.net/summit/2011/08/17/lodlam-dc/
[36] http://lod-lam.net/summit/2011/08/17/lodlam-dc/
Tom: Thanks to all. Next week: final telecon!
<marcia> thank you, Tom.
Tom: Meeting adjourned.
Sure, I think Im still muted
<Emma> Bye all !
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Chairs to prepare press release with W3C [recorded in
[37]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/18-lld-minu
tes.html#action17]
[NEW] ACTION: Chairs, Karen, Peter to migrate wiki content to HTML
[recorded in
[38]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/18-lld-minu
tes.html#action16]
[NEW] ACTION: Ross to propose sentence about sum being more than the
parts [recorded in
[39]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/18-lld-minu
tes.html#action07]
[NEW] ACTION: Tom and Antoine to draft acknowledgements. [recorded
in
[40]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/18-lld-minu
tes.html#action06]
[NEW] ACTION: Tom to post an announcement to the list that comment
period has ended [recorded in
[41]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/18-lld-minu
tes.html#action03]
[PENDING] ACTION: Emma to review Use Cases and make comments
[recorded in
[42]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minu
tes.html#action07]
[PENDING] ACTION: Karen and Emma to write a sentence adding cultural
and memory institutions together in some way [recorded in
[43]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minu
tes.html#action03]
[PENDING] ACTION: Karen, Tom, Michael, and Gordon to write the
executive summary [recorded in
[44]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/21-lld-minu
tes.html#action05]
[42]
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minutes.html
#action07
[43]
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minutes.html
#action03
[44]
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/21-lld-minutes.html
#action05
[DONE] ACTION: Editors of Benefits to meet and work on the comments.
[recorded in
[45]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/04-lld-minu
tes.html#action07]
[DONE] ACTION: Editors of each section should watch for substantial
comments to their section [recorded in
[46]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/06/30-lld-minu
tes.html#action06]
[DONE] ACTION: Emma to keep track of comments through AUG. 11
[recorded in
[47]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/04-lld-minu
tes.html#action03]
[DONE] ACTION: Jeff to integrate more refined view of non-resolvable
URIs and linking. [recorded in
[48]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/21-lld-minu
tes.html#action08]
[DONE] ACTION: Karen and Antoine to relate Library Data Resources
and Library Standards and Linked data [recorded in
[49]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/06/16-lld-minu
tes.html#action12]
[DONE] ACTION: Karen will convene issues and recommendations group
to identify things that need to be discussed with larger group for
July 21 meeting [recorded in
[50]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minu
tes.html#action04]
[DONE] ACTION: Karen will track items from former "issues" and
"recommendations" that belong to benefits [recorded in
[51]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/04-lld-minu
tes.html#action08]
[DONE] ACTION: Jodi to make an alternative transclusion [recorded in
[52]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/04-lld-minu
tes.html#action04]
[45]
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/04-lld-minutes.html
#action07
[46]
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/06/30-lld-minutes.html
#action06
[47]
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/04-lld-minutes.html
#action03
[48]
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/21-lld-minutes.html
#action08
[49]
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/06/16-lld-minutes.html
#action12
[50]
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minutes.html
#action04
[51]
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/04-lld-minutes.html
#action08
[52]
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/04-lld-minutes.html
#action04
[End of minutes]
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