- From: ZENG, MARCIA <mzeng@kent.edu>
- Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 20:54:49 -0400
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Hello, everyone,
The minutes of our call today can be found at: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/04-lld-minutes.html
A text version follows.
Thanks for those who helped capturing the contents correctly, and thank to Antoine again for guiding me through the process again.
Cheers,
Marcia
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[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
LLD XG
04 Aug 2011
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Aug/0004.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2011/08/04-lld-irc
Attendees
Present
tbaker, michaelp, emma, jeff_, kcoyle, kai, marcia, jneubert,
GordonD, monica, antoine, jodi, edsu
Regrets
Kim, Lars, Ray, Kevin, Uldis
Chair
Tom
Scribe
Marcia
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]ADMIN
2. [6]Comments received
3. [7]FINAL DELIVERABLES
4. [8]TRANSITION TO W3C COMMUNITY GROUP
* [9]Summary of Action Items
_________________________________________________________
<antoine> Previous: 2011-07-21
[10]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/21-lld-minu
tes.html
[10] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/21-lld-minutes.html
<jodi> t
<jodi> thanks. antoine!
<jodi> means that I'm trying to eat and type at the same time :)
<tbaker> Scribe: Marcia
<edsu> zoia, [LC] is edsu
<tbaker> scribenick: marcia
ADMIN
Minutes of previous telecons PROPOSED: To accept
RESOLUTION: approved minutes from last call
Tom: two more telecons
<jodi> which we really need to do! :)
Tom: lots need to be done still
Comments received
Tom: realized missing the comments from the blog
... created a page
... Links to reviews - including comments on the UKOLN blog -
updated from DraftReportReviewerAssignments (Tom)
[11]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/DraftReportReviews
[11] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/DraftReportReviews
scribe: any comments?
... summarized comments from various sections. Authors should find
useful
<scribe> ACTION: Editors of each section should watch for
substantial comments to their section [recorded in
[12]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/06/30-lld-minu
tes.html#action06] [CONTINUES]
[12] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/06/30-lld-minutes.html#action06
<scribe> ACTION: Daniel to keep track of comments from July 23-July
30 [recorded in
[13]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minu
tes.html#action02] [DONE]
[13] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minutes.html#action02
emma: will continue to monitor through Aug.. 11
<scribe> ACTION: Emma to keep track of comments through AUG. 11
[recorded in
[14]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/04-lld-minu
tes.html#action03]
<tbaker>
[15]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Aug/0003.h
tml
[15] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Aug/0003.html
FINAL DELIVERABLES
Tom: we (the "Issues and Recommendations" sub-group)
had a discussion. two issues
... will come back to the recommendation issues
... looking at the draft of the report as a whole and the comments
received, the group felt it might be useful to divide the current
draft into two
... first title something like "Benefits of Library Linked Data,
with Recommendations"
... 8 pages long
... We saw that comments include good ones and also issues. There
were complains about the level of details in the report's sections,
assumed decision makers will read the report
... survey-oriented sections should be put into a second document
... such as vocabularies, technologies. Not try to address high
level issues like the first documents
... now there are redundant of vocabularies in both report and side
deliverable
... the this deliverable would be use cases
... open to comments
<edsu> +1 for splitting it
Tom: regarding spliting
Antoine: where are these comments that addressing the mixing
Tom: some comments about technical details
Karen: a number of comments said it is not clear of the audience
... I agree not necessarily be two documents. But general
description should be first, in order not to lose them.
... maybe just rearranging
<edsu> +1 for rearranging i mean :-)
Karen: first part could stand alone. people who are only interested
in that could just read that.
<jeff_> Could the techie bits be left in place, but flagged somehow?
Antoine: the higher level recommendation should still in the main
doc.
<edsu> jeff_: kind of like spicy things on a menu? :-)
<jeff_> edsu: exactly!
<GordonD> All recommendations (general and technical) should be in the recommendations section.
Karen: the first section now is very general. 2nd section go into
how you do it.
Antoine: data and technology side both have also general contents
<michaelp> Donal Knuth in the TeX docs uses a "sharp bend"/dangerous
curve icon to flag those technical parts.
<Zakim> emma, you wanted to say that Vocs & data is part of general
description
Karen: right now vocabulary inserted in between, it does not seem
right. Afraid losing readers
Emma: data description need to be there to show we are not talking
from zero. Having descriptions inside of the main report will be
useful.
... should keep them in the same doc. re-arrange a little bit
<Zakim> tbaker, you wanted to suggest that we have Part A and B
Tom: suggest to have a Part A and Part B.
... Make sense to make some into tight executive summary
... If more challenging, can be referred to Part B, e.g.,
technologies
... Voc and Dataset already have description and a detail... can
almost go to appendix
<jodi> I don't think that additional documents is really additional
overhead
Karen: we can clarify them if we have real good titles
Tom: agree with Karen
Karen: 1 section we set up theme
... 2nd: talking about tools that are available, progress already
been made.
... folks look at TOC can see the flow
Antoine: current situation is already out there
<emma> +1, antoine
Antoine: in the current issue section
Tom: Imply what we have the structure right now
Antoine: maybe the data section just give methodologies through
examples
Emma: the technology may not so fit at the place
Jodi: Like Tom's proposal. There must be someway to convey them to
read the technology without including the details in the main
report.
... should be as short as possible and as general as possible
<jodi> yes
Tom: we were planning to have vocabulary as side deliverable.
... take the draft vocab/data section, keep in Deliverable A. Move
technology to B.
... technology details of vocabulary and dataset go into B.
<Zakim> antoine, you wanted to comment on relevant technologies
Antoine: maybe workable
<antoine>
[16]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_Vocabularies_Dat
asets_Section
[16] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_Vocabularies_Datasets_Section
Antoine: maybe keep basic descriptions in the report
Tom: that makes sense
... there are complains about the typology of dataset, element set,
and value vocabularies, but no better way now
<GordonD> +1 for a short, general description of current state of
available library vocabularies (most acronyms will be familiar to
library executives) in part a, referring to the fuller separate
deliverable
<kcoyle> I think placement is important; are we still keeping
benefits, issues and recommendations together?
Tom: in the main report keep this section.
... just afraid of general readers would not follow
... looks like we are coming to an agreement of how to structure.
Antoine: disagree with to put technology into a different
deliverable
<GordonD> +1 benefits, current situation and issues (including
vocabularies), recommendations in first part
<jodi> +1 to making it concrete
<jodi> if you make me a list of what you want, I can do the
transclusion -- it's easy enough
<jodi> or what tom says :)
Tom: maybe make al alternative transclusion and see how it looks
like
<antoine> it's just a matter of changing the order of the current
transclusion, I think :-)
<scribe> ACTION: Jodi to make an alternative transclusion [recorded
in
[17]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/04-lld-minu
tes.html#action04]
Tom: asking Karen to work with Jodi
Karen: happy to do it.
<jodi> great, Karen: the list of pages will be very easy to edit
into a transclusion page :)
<scribe> ACTION: Karen, Tom, Michael, and Gordon to write the
executive summary due in two weeks. [recorded in
[18]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/21-lld-minu
tes.html#action05] [CONTINUES]
[18] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/21-lld-minutes.html#action05
<scribe> ACTION: Karen and Emma to write a sentence adding cultural
and memory institutions together in some way [recorded in
[19]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minu
tes.html#action03]
[19] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minutes.html#action03
Karen: the note is in there.
<scribe> CONTINUES
BENEFITS OF LINKED DATA (Ed, Emmanuelle, Ross) --
[20]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Benefits
[20] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Benefits
Emma: worked on the comments from Dickson. We may need a meeting
between me and ED
... suggest to have an action
<edsu> emma++
<scribe> ACTION: Editors of BENEFITS to meet and work on the
comments. [recorded in
[21]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/04-lld-minu
tes.html#action07]
AVAILABLE VOCABULARIES AND DATASETS (Antoine, Jeff, Marcia, William)
--
[22]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_Vocabularies_Dat
asets_Section
[22] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_Vocabularies_Datasets_Section
Antoine: we can manage them. There are manageable comments
<scribe> ACTION: everybody to scrutinize the relevant technologies to solve the issue of mixing different levels [recorded in
[23]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/21-lld-minu
tes.html#action09]
[23] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/21-lld-minutes.html#action09
<scribe> CONTINUES
<scribe> ACTION: Jeff to integrate more refined view of
non-resolvable URIs and linking. [recorded in
[24]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/21-lld-minu
tes.html#action08]
[24] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/21-lld-minutes.html#action08
RELEVANT TECHNOLOGIES (Jeff) --
[25]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_Relevant_Technol
ogies
[25] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_Relevant_Technologies
Jeff: will keep working on them.
<scribe> CONTINUES
IMPLEMENTATION CHALLENGES AND BARRIERS TO ADOPTION
<scribe> ACTION: Karen will convene issues and recommendations group
to identify things that need to be discussed with larger group for
July 21 meeting [recorded in
[26]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minu
tes.html#action04]
[26] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minutes.html#action04
Karen: challenges and barriers... got lots of comments. We got
pushed back to the recommendations
some are beyond our scope.
scribe: should keep in library linked data
<Zakim> kcoyle, you wanted to ask about transclusion
scribe: removed a lot of how things should be done. Focused on what
should be done
... regarding library systems
... assigning URIs, deciding what data go out first, etc.
<jodi> adding metadata education
scribe: removed things like staffing
<jodi> (I mean, "adding metadata education" was removed)
scribe: removed some statements.
<jodi> <-- from recommendations
<jodi>
[27]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_issues_page_take
2
[27] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_issues_page_take2
<jodi>
[28]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_recommendations_
page_take2
[28] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_recommendations_page_take2
scribe: staffing, transferring the data, assignment of URI, etc.
<tbaker>
[29]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/index.php?title=Draft_
issues_page_take2&diff=5537&oldid=5374
[29] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/index.php?title=Draft_issues_page_take2&diff=5537&oldid=5374
now it is more positive
Tom: the draft is in the new page
<scribe> CONTINUES
<Zakim> emma, you wanted to ask how to handle removed items that
need to go into benefits
Emma: did you track the changes?
Karen: we can go back to the notes
<antoine> pls send stuff around too!
<antoine> (like the list of stuff to consider for benefits)
<scribe> ACTION: Karen will track items from former "issues" and
"recommendations" that belong to benefits [recorded in
[30]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/04-lld-minu
tes.html#action08]
Tom: will need to work on these in the next weeks.
<Zakim> antoine, you wanted to have a call next week
<jodi> +1 to a call next week
Tom: welcome suggestions of how to do things differently
<kcoyle> +1 call next week
<jeff_> +1
<jodi> (however I will be gone myself)
<GordonD> regrets for next week, and week after
TOM: will have conference next week
USE CASES (Daniel) - SEPARATE DELIVERABLE
Karen: maybe just add some words in the executive summary regarding
the use cases, mention them and say something about them.
TRANSITION TO W3C COMMUNITY GROUP
Tom: mentioned: 2011-05-12: Should inform W3C of intent to
transition by 1 August for transition on 1 September (and cancel
Zakim slot).
<emma> we did have discussion on 2011-06-30
Tom: right now no clear indication of actions
... at the moment, the situation is that there is no replacement of
this group.
<kcoyle> could we form a "transition group?"
<kai> Have to leave, too. Bye!
<kcoyle> with no long term obligation
<edsu> emma++ # public discussion
Emma: will put on list
<antoine> +1
<jodi> +1 to public list discussion
<jodi> that sounds like kcoyle is volunteering to help make sure it
happens, but only with others :)
<antoine> the list will survive, anyway!
Karen: the small group of people who are willing to work through
emails
AOB
<jodi> bye!
<jneubert> bye
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Editors of BENEFITS to meet and work on the comments.
[recorded in
[31]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/04-lld-minu
tes.html#action07]
[NEW] ACTION: Emma to keep track of comments through AUG. 11
[recorded in
[32]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/04-lld-minu
tes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: Jodi to make an alternative transclusion [recorded in
[33]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/04-lld-minu
tes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: Karen will track items from former "issues" and
"recommendations" that belong to benefits [recorded in
[34]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/04-lld-minu
tes.html#action08]
[PENDING] ACTION: Karen, Tom, Michael, and Gordon to write the
executive summary due in two weeks. [recorded in
[35]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/21-lld-minu
tes.html#action05]
[35] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/21-lld-minutes.html#action05
[PENDING] ACTION: Karen and Emma to write a sentence adding cultural
and memory institutions together in some way [recorded in
[36]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minu
tes.html#action03]
[36] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minutes.html#action03
[PENDING] ACTION: everybody to scrutinize the relevant technologies
to solve the issue of mixing different levels [recorded in
[37]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/21-lld-minu
tes.html#action09]
[37] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/21-lld-minutes.html#action09
[PENDING] ACTION: Jeff to integrate more refined view of
non-resolvable URIs and linking. [recorded in
[38]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/21-lld-minu
tes.html#action08]
[38] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/21-lld-minutes.html#action08
[PENDING] ACTION: Karen will convene issues and recommendations
group to identify things that need to be discussed with larger group
for July 21 meeting [recorded in
[39]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minu
tes.html#action04
[39] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minutes.html#action04
[PENDING] ACTION: Karen and Antoine to relate Library Data Resources
and Library Standards and Linked data [recorded in
[40]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/06/16-lld-minu
tes.html#action12]
[40] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/06/16-lld-minutes.html#action12
[PENDING] ACTION: Emma to review use cases and make comments
[recorded in
[41]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minu
tes.html#action07]
[41] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minutes.html#action07
[PENDING] ACTION: Editors of each section should watch for
substantial comments to their section [recorded in
[42]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/06/30-lld-minu
tes.html#action06]
[42] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/06/30-lld-minutes.html#action06
[DONE] ACTION: Daniel to keep track of comments from July 23-July 30
[recorded in
[43]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minu
tes.html#action02]
[43] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minutes.html#action02
[End of minutes]
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