- From: ZENG, MARCIA <mzeng@kent.edu>
- Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 20:54:49 -0400
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Hello, everyone, The minutes of our call today can be found at: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/04-lld-minutes.html A text version follows. Thanks for those who helped capturing the contents correctly, and thank to Antoine again for guiding me through the process again. Cheers, Marcia ============================================= [1]W3C [1] http://www.w3.org/ LLD XG 04 Aug 2011 [2]Agenda [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Aug/0004.html See also: [3]IRC log [3] http://www.w3.org/2011/08/04-lld-irc Attendees Present tbaker, michaelp, emma, jeff_, kcoyle, kai, marcia, jneubert, GordonD, monica, antoine, jodi, edsu Regrets Kim, Lars, Ray, Kevin, Uldis Chair Tom Scribe Marcia Contents * [4]Topics 1. [5]ADMIN 2. [6]Comments received 3. [7]FINAL DELIVERABLES 4. [8]TRANSITION TO W3C COMMUNITY GROUP * [9]Summary of Action Items _________________________________________________________ <antoine> Previous: 2011-07-21 [10]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/21-lld-minu tes.html [10] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/21-lld-minutes.html <jodi> t <jodi> thanks. antoine! <jodi> means that I'm trying to eat and type at the same time :) <tbaker> Scribe: Marcia <edsu> zoia, [LC] is edsu <tbaker> scribenick: marcia ADMIN Minutes of previous telecons PROPOSED: To accept RESOLUTION: approved minutes from last call Tom: two more telecons <jodi> which we really need to do! :) Tom: lots need to be done still Comments received Tom: realized missing the comments from the blog ... created a page ... Links to reviews - including comments on the UKOLN blog - updated from DraftReportReviewerAssignments (Tom) [11]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/DraftReportReviews [11] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/DraftReportReviews scribe: any comments? ... summarized comments from various sections. Authors should find useful <scribe> ACTION: Editors of each section should watch for substantial comments to their section [recorded in [12]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/06/30-lld-minu tes.html#action06] [CONTINUES] [12] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/06/30-lld-minutes.html#action06 <scribe> ACTION: Daniel to keep track of comments from July 23-July 30 [recorded in [13]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minu tes.html#action02] [DONE] [13] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minutes.html#action02 emma: will continue to monitor through Aug.. 11 <scribe> ACTION: Emma to keep track of comments through AUG. 11 [recorded in [14]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/04-lld-minu tes.html#action03] <tbaker> [15]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Aug/0003.h tml [15] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Aug/0003.html FINAL DELIVERABLES Tom: we (the "Issues and Recommendations" sub-group) had a discussion. two issues ... will come back to the recommendation issues ... looking at the draft of the report as a whole and the comments received, the group felt it might be useful to divide the current draft into two ... first title something like "Benefits of Library Linked Data, with Recommendations" ... 8 pages long ... We saw that comments include good ones and also issues. There were complains about the level of details in the report's sections, assumed decision makers will read the report ... survey-oriented sections should be put into a second document ... such as vocabularies, technologies. Not try to address high level issues like the first documents ... now there are redundant of vocabularies in both report and side deliverable ... the this deliverable would be use cases ... open to comments <edsu> +1 for splitting it Tom: regarding spliting Antoine: where are these comments that addressing the mixing Tom: some comments about technical details Karen: a number of comments said it is not clear of the audience ... I agree not necessarily be two documents. But general description should be first, in order not to lose them. ... maybe just rearranging <edsu> +1 for rearranging i mean :-) Karen: first part could stand alone. people who are only interested in that could just read that. <jeff_> Could the techie bits be left in place, but flagged somehow? Antoine: the higher level recommendation should still in the main doc. <edsu> jeff_: kind of like spicy things on a menu? :-) <jeff_> edsu: exactly! <GordonD> All recommendations (general and technical) should be in the recommendations section. Karen: the first section now is very general. 2nd section go into how you do it. Antoine: data and technology side both have also general contents <michaelp> Donal Knuth in the TeX docs uses a "sharp bend"/dangerous curve icon to flag those technical parts. <Zakim> emma, you wanted to say that Vocs & data is part of general description Karen: right now vocabulary inserted in between, it does not seem right. Afraid losing readers Emma: data description need to be there to show we are not talking from zero. Having descriptions inside of the main report will be useful. ... should keep them in the same doc. re-arrange a little bit <Zakim> tbaker, you wanted to suggest that we have Part A and B Tom: suggest to have a Part A and Part B. ... Make sense to make some into tight executive summary ... If more challenging, can be referred to Part B, e.g., technologies ... Voc and Dataset already have description and a detail... can almost go to appendix <jodi> I don't think that additional documents is really additional overhead Karen: we can clarify them if we have real good titles Tom: agree with Karen Karen: 1 section we set up theme ... 2nd: talking about tools that are available, progress already been made. ... folks look at TOC can see the flow Antoine: current situation is already out there <emma> +1, antoine Antoine: in the current issue section Tom: Imply what we have the structure right now Antoine: maybe the data section just give methodologies through examples Emma: the technology may not so fit at the place Jodi: Like Tom's proposal. There must be someway to convey them to read the technology without including the details in the main report. ... should be as short as possible and as general as possible <jodi> yes Tom: we were planning to have vocabulary as side deliverable. ... take the draft vocab/data section, keep in Deliverable A. Move technology to B. ... technology details of vocabulary and dataset go into B. <Zakim> antoine, you wanted to comment on relevant technologies Antoine: maybe workable <antoine> [16]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_Vocabularies_Dat asets_Section [16] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_Vocabularies_Datasets_Section Antoine: maybe keep basic descriptions in the report Tom: that makes sense ... there are complains about the typology of dataset, element set, and value vocabularies, but no better way now <GordonD> +1 for a short, general description of current state of available library vocabularies (most acronyms will be familiar to library executives) in part a, referring to the fuller separate deliverable <kcoyle> I think placement is important; are we still keeping benefits, issues and recommendations together? Tom: in the main report keep this section. ... just afraid of general readers would not follow ... looks like we are coming to an agreement of how to structure. Antoine: disagree with to put technology into a different deliverable <GordonD> +1 benefits, current situation and issues (including vocabularies), recommendations in first part <jodi> +1 to making it concrete <jodi> if you make me a list of what you want, I can do the transclusion -- it's easy enough <jodi> or what tom says :) Tom: maybe make al alternative transclusion and see how it looks like <antoine> it's just a matter of changing the order of the current transclusion, I think :-) <scribe> ACTION: Jodi to make an alternative transclusion [recorded in [17]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/04-lld-minu tes.html#action04] Tom: asking Karen to work with Jodi Karen: happy to do it. <jodi> great, Karen: the list of pages will be very easy to edit into a transclusion page :) <scribe> ACTION: Karen, Tom, Michael, and Gordon to write the executive summary due in two weeks. [recorded in [18]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/21-lld-minu tes.html#action05] [CONTINUES] [18] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/21-lld-minutes.html#action05 <scribe> ACTION: Karen and Emma to write a sentence adding cultural and memory institutions together in some way [recorded in [19]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minu tes.html#action03] [19] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minutes.html#action03 Karen: the note is in there. <scribe> CONTINUES BENEFITS OF LINKED DATA (Ed, Emmanuelle, Ross) -- [20]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Benefits [20] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Benefits Emma: worked on the comments from Dickson. We may need a meeting between me and ED ... suggest to have an action <edsu> emma++ <scribe> ACTION: Editors of BENEFITS to meet and work on the comments. [recorded in [21]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/04-lld-minu tes.html#action07] AVAILABLE VOCABULARIES AND DATASETS (Antoine, Jeff, Marcia, William) -- [22]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_Vocabularies_Dat asets_Section [22] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_Vocabularies_Datasets_Section Antoine: we can manage them. There are manageable comments <scribe> ACTION: everybody to scrutinize the relevant technologies to solve the issue of mixing different levels [recorded in [23]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/21-lld-minu tes.html#action09] [23] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/21-lld-minutes.html#action09 <scribe> CONTINUES <scribe> ACTION: Jeff to integrate more refined view of non-resolvable URIs and linking. [recorded in [24]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/21-lld-minu tes.html#action08] [24] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/21-lld-minutes.html#action08 RELEVANT TECHNOLOGIES (Jeff) -- [25]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_Relevant_Technol ogies [25] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_Relevant_Technologies Jeff: will keep working on them. <scribe> CONTINUES IMPLEMENTATION CHALLENGES AND BARRIERS TO ADOPTION <scribe> ACTION: Karen will convene issues and recommendations group to identify things that need to be discussed with larger group for July 21 meeting [recorded in [26]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minu tes.html#action04] [26] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minutes.html#action04 Karen: challenges and barriers... got lots of comments. We got pushed back to the recommendations some are beyond our scope. scribe: should keep in library linked data <Zakim> kcoyle, you wanted to ask about transclusion scribe: removed a lot of how things should be done. Focused on what should be done ... regarding library systems ... assigning URIs, deciding what data go out first, etc. <jodi> adding metadata education scribe: removed things like staffing <jodi> (I mean, "adding metadata education" was removed) scribe: removed some statements. <jodi> <-- from recommendations <jodi> [27]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_issues_page_take 2 [27] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_issues_page_take2 <jodi> [28]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_recommendations_ page_take2 [28] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_recommendations_page_take2 scribe: staffing, transferring the data, assignment of URI, etc. <tbaker> [29]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/index.php?title=Draft_ issues_page_take2&diff=5537&oldid=5374 [29] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/index.php?title=Draft_issues_page_take2&diff=5537&oldid=5374 now it is more positive Tom: the draft is in the new page <scribe> CONTINUES <Zakim> emma, you wanted to ask how to handle removed items that need to go into benefits Emma: did you track the changes? Karen: we can go back to the notes <antoine> pls send stuff around too! <antoine> (like the list of stuff to consider for benefits) <scribe> ACTION: Karen will track items from former "issues" and "recommendations" that belong to benefits [recorded in [30]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/04-lld-minu tes.html#action08] Tom: will need to work on these in the next weeks. <Zakim> antoine, you wanted to have a call next week <jodi> +1 to a call next week Tom: welcome suggestions of how to do things differently <kcoyle> +1 call next week <jeff_> +1 <jodi> (however I will be gone myself) <GordonD> regrets for next week, and week after TOM: will have conference next week USE CASES (Daniel) - SEPARATE DELIVERABLE Karen: maybe just add some words in the executive summary regarding the use cases, mention them and say something about them. TRANSITION TO W3C COMMUNITY GROUP Tom: mentioned: 2011-05-12: Should inform W3C of intent to transition by 1 August for transition on 1 September (and cancel Zakim slot). <emma> we did have discussion on 2011-06-30 Tom: right now no clear indication of actions ... at the moment, the situation is that there is no replacement of this group. <kcoyle> could we form a "transition group?" <kai> Have to leave, too. Bye! <kcoyle> with no long term obligation <edsu> emma++ # public discussion Emma: will put on list <antoine> +1 <jodi> +1 to public list discussion <jodi> that sounds like kcoyle is volunteering to help make sure it happens, but only with others :) <antoine> the list will survive, anyway! Karen: the small group of people who are willing to work through emails AOB <jodi> bye! <jneubert> bye Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: Editors of BENEFITS to meet and work on the comments. [recorded in [31]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/04-lld-minu tes.html#action07] [NEW] ACTION: Emma to keep track of comments through AUG. 11 [recorded in [32]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/04-lld-minu tes.html#action03] [NEW] ACTION: Jodi to make an alternative transclusion [recorded in [33]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/04-lld-minu tes.html#action04] [NEW] ACTION: Karen will track items from former "issues" and "recommendations" that belong to benefits [recorded in [34]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/08/04-lld-minu tes.html#action08] [PENDING] ACTION: Karen, Tom, Michael, and Gordon to write the executive summary due in two weeks. [recorded in [35]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/21-lld-minu tes.html#action05] [35] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/21-lld-minutes.html#action05 [PENDING] ACTION: Karen and Emma to write a sentence adding cultural and memory institutions together in some way [recorded in [36]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minu tes.html#action03] [36] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minutes.html#action03 [PENDING] ACTION: everybody to scrutinize the relevant technologies to solve the issue of mixing different levels [recorded in [37]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/21-lld-minu tes.html#action09] [37] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/21-lld-minutes.html#action09 [PENDING] ACTION: Jeff to integrate more refined view of non-resolvable URIs and linking. [recorded in [38]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/21-lld-minu tes.html#action08] [38] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/21-lld-minutes.html#action08 [PENDING] ACTION: Karen will convene issues and recommendations group to identify things that need to be discussed with larger group for July 21 meeting [recorded in [39]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minu tes.html#action04 [39] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minutes.html#action04 [PENDING] ACTION: Karen and Antoine to relate Library Data Resources and Library Standards and Linked data [recorded in [40]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/06/16-lld-minu tes.html#action12] [40] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/06/16-lld-minutes.html#action12 [PENDING] ACTION: Emma to review use cases and make comments [recorded in [41]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minu tes.html#action07] [41] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minutes.html#action07 [PENDING] ACTION: Editors of each section should watch for substantial comments to their section [recorded in [42]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/06/30-lld-minu tes.html#action06] [42] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/06/30-lld-minutes.html#action06 [DONE] ACTION: Daniel to keep track of comments from July 23-July 30 [recorded in [43]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minu tes.html#action02] [43] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/07/07-lld-minutes.html#action02 [End of minutes] _________________________________________________________ Minutes formatted by David Booth's [44]scribe.perl version 1.136 ([45]CVS log) $Date: 2011/08/04 22:01:41 $ [44] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/%7Echeckout%7E/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm [45] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/
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