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RE: Music Notation on the Web

From: Tom White \(MMA\) <lists@midi.org>
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 11:48:02 -0800
To: <public-xg-audio@w3.org>
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Roger,
 
Thanks for the thoughtful explanation. (And my apologies for asking the same
question in two posts <g>.)
 
Personally, I don't think this group should try to solve issues that exist
outside of the browser, such as the cost or capability of software for
manipulating scores. People in that market should solve those problems, and
this group should focus on figuring out how to make existing solutions work
in web browsers... I think.
 
But that is just my opinion, perhaps.
 
Tom White

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From: public-xg-audio-request@w3.org [mailto:public-xg-audio-request@w3.org]
On Behalf Of Cutler, Roger (RogerCutler)
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 11:16 AM
To: Tom White (MMA); public-xg-audio@w3.org
Subject: RE: Music Notation on the Web



Well, they're Web sites.  It seems to me that publishing music on Web sites
is what we're talking about.  However, if you are asking me, "Is it
necessary for the browser to be able to render it directly" - MY answer for
this use case is "No".  (Actually, the browser does not render PDF's
directly - that's a proprietary format with a proprietary plugin, right?)
It seems to me, however, that there are probably other use cases where the
answer would be "Yes".  For example the demo at the TPAC, which I think
might have been a national anthem melody.  One could imagine a display of
flags and melodies in music notation in which clicking on the music plays
it.  In this case I guess it would be nice if it played it for anyone
without any arcane plugins.  But I'm scattering use cases.  Taking the CPDL
and similar site use case - no, I don't think it's necessary for the browser
to be able to render the score.  What IS necessary is a story good enough to
convince whoever is doing this to use the format for many or most of the
scores.  And I guess it would be NICE if the file could be rendered without
purchasing expensive software, wouldn't it?  That is, that people could just
render and print it cheaply if that's what they needed, or could use
expensive software if they wanted to do something more?

 

From: public-xg-audio-request@w3.org [mailto:public-xg-audio-request@w3.org]
On Behalf Of Tom White (MMA)
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 1:07 PM
To: public-xg-audio@w3.org
Subject: RE: Music Notation on the Web

 

Roger,

 

I think that the specific site I posted is more relevant.  I want to be able
to get the scores out of that site and transpose or otherwise modify them.
Simple requirement.  Huge potential user community (particularly if you
include similar sites focused on other instruments or genres).    To repeat,


http://www3.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page 

Thanks!

 

Knowing that your objective is to manipulate the scores from sites like this
helps me to understand what problem you are having. 

 

Now, taking that one step further, is there any specific reason why you want
to do this with a web browser, as opposed to an application? Or are you
simply suggesting that if someone is going to do this with a web browser
they should try to avoid the problems that exist in current applications?

 

Tom White
Received on Monday, 13 December 2010 19:48:44 UTC

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