Re: Thoughts after Call_02

Thanks Jason.

In fact, I have just realized that, as we in Europe have just caught up with the US and moved to summer time, the *normal* time for the call would now be 0700 Pacific, 1000 Eastern, (not 0800 / 1100). To move the call one hour back instead of one hour forwards means a net move of two hours back.

So the proposed new time for the Friday call, for just one week, would be 0900 Pacific, 1200 Eastern, 1700 London, 1800 Paris.

Could anyone who was intending to come to the call at the regular time reply to the list to let us know whether you could make this call? I don't want to lose anyone from hearing Jason's presentation - so if there are any difficulties, we will revert to the normal time which is 0700 Pacific, 1000 Eastern, 1500 London, 1600 Paris and postpone Jason's presentation to the following week.

Thanks for letting me know.

Crispin.


On 7 April 2015, Haag, Jason <jason.haag.ctr@adlnet.gov> wrote:
> Thanks Crispin! I think I could make the call this week if it were an hour later or any other time after that. Friday mornings are usually hectic for me. If you can't resched I'll join you all next week and just try to catch up on the notes.
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> On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Crispin Weston <<crispin.weston@saltis.org>> wrote:
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> > Hi Jason,
> > 
> > No problem on the feedback. It is good that we have all been able to think of other things over Easter. I have some catching up to do as well on your emails.
> > 
> > I am happy to move the call on Friday to another time (I suggest later, rather than earlier, for the benefit of those on the West Coast) - but I suspect that it might be problematic to rearrange at short notice. I suggest you try a time out on us all - but if it doesn't work for anyone, I think we should knock your talk back a week and we can have a more open, ad-hoc discussion this Friday. Having had two weeks of me presenting, and having a few threads to catch up on in the email traffic, I am sure it would do no harm to review the requirement and the roadmap, and have a "show and tell". I am sure we have lots to talk about.
> > 
> > With respect to the "show and tell", I was impressed with this report on Competency Education, which I found through Twitter:
> > 
> > <http://www.jff.org/sites/default/files/publications/materials/Equity-in-Competency-Education-103014.pdf>
> > 
> > ...which seems coherent and well researched. And, what is more, funded by the Gates Foundation. I think it speaks to Frank's point about the importance of providing use cases to support competency definitions. I also wonder whether "Jobs for the Future" might be an interesting crowd to talk to?
> > 
> > Best, Crispin.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 7 April 2015, Haag, Jason <<jason.haag.ctr@adlnet.gov>> wrote:
> > > Hi Crispin,
> > > 
> > > I'll be happy to give it a shot at working with this tool for our high-level data concept mapping activity during next week's meeting. Unfortunately, I didn't have as much free reading time last week as I had hoped for so I'm just now getting around to providing feedback on your docs. I also have a conflict this week if we are still meeting at 11am ET.
> > > 
> > > Regards,
> > > 
> > > J Haag
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> > > On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 12:25 PM, Crispin Weston <<crispin.weston@saltis.org>> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Hi Jason,
> > > > 
> > > > That would be great. Would you be able to lead the call on on CMAPS on 10 April?
> > > > .
> > > > Crispin.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > On 27 March 2015, Haag, Jason <<jason.haag.ctr@adlnet.gov>> wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > Thank you Crispin! I would like to recommend that we look at using a concept mapping tool such as CMAPS (<http://cmap.ihmc.us/>) or something similar for mapping our thoughts on the strawman and perhaps a complimentary activity/tool for modeling everything you have done already using UML.
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> > > > > On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 11:53 AM, Crispin Weston <<crispin.weston@saltis.org>> wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > Dear All,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Thanks for coming to Call_02. We will have no call next week (Good Friday) but will pick things up again after Easter on 10 April.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > My takeaways from the call are:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 1. Ultimately, the development of a tool is required. But before then, we need to make sure we are targeting the right tool.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 2. We need a "prospectus" that explains the idea and the potential of XDMDL in a way that people can understand, without having the benefit of yet being able to offer working demonstrations. I feel that I am perhaps too deeply into my own strawman to be able to articulate that high level prospectus well - so will appreciate any help that other members of the group can give in focusing on the key messages.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 3. We need to compare the sort of functionality that I have been envisaging (whether it is expressed as XML or something else) against other approaches to the same (or perhaps similar) problems. Jason demonstrated his work on Wordnet for disambiguating the meaning of verbs which might be used with xAPI. My hunch is that this is a related but slightly lower-level problem to the one that I am trying to solve with XDMDL - the structuring of data models. But we need to understand the relationship between the two technologies and the problems they are trying to solve.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I wonder if we could focus on the particular problem of creating controlled vocabularies for the xAPI verb and what it actually means to create verbs which are used consistently by focusing on a use case.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Possible activities for next call in two weeks (I am told that "fortnight" is quaintly Olde English)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 1. If people can read through the two sections of my paper, available on the wiki in the Drafting section, you might have some feedback on the details. But otherwise, for the time being at least, I think I have taken up enough time on calls for my strawman proposal and suggest we should move on to some combination of the following.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 2. Some thoughts on the prospectus - maybe starting with the ecosystem and working out from there. I think that Pierre is interested to pick up on any work which focuses on a broader scope, addressing this wider vision of what the digital ecosystem for education might look like and how XDMDL or something similar might contribute to it.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 3. Jason may like to take one call to give us a presentation in greater depth on what he has been doing with web ontologies.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 4. Maybe on the back of that, we could focus on a use case for the use of different verbs with xAPI - and look to define the problems and see what sort of contribution can be made by the web ontology and by an XDMDL schema approach.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 5. I can work up a use-case, as proposed by Frank, for the return of competency information in an xAPI result record - that may then provide an opportunity to revisit the strawman in a few calls time.
> > > > > > Any thoughts on how we should structure the next few calls, do shout. Particularly if you would like to lead a call.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Best wishes,
> > > > > > Crispin
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > PS. I have posted this email to the wiki as a comment, along with a copy of my slides to <http://wiki.saltis.org/display/XDMDL/Call-02>
> > > > > > 
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