Re: Thoughts after Call_02

I can put together a presentation if you like, but give me until next week
if that's ok. I don't really have the time to put something together this
week. Last week I was proposing that we step back and together on
high-level concept mapping activity to better understand the proposed XDMDL
components. I can help with that if you like this week. Or at least drive
the tool!

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On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 1:11 PM, Crispin Weston <crispin.weston@saltis.org>
wrote:

> Thanks Jason.
>
> In fact, I have just realized that, as we in Europe have just caught up
> with the US and moved to summer time, the *normal* time for the call would
> now be 0700 Pacific, 1000 Eastern, (not 0800 / 1100). To move the call one
> hour back instead of one hour forwards means a net move of two hours back.
>
> So the proposed new time for the Friday call, for just one week, would be
> 0900 Pacific, 1200 Eastern, 1700 London, 1800 Paris.
>
> Could anyone who was intending to come to the call at the regular time
> reply to the list to let us know whether you could make this call? I don't
> want to lose anyone from hearing Jason's presentation - so if there are any
> difficulties, we will revert to the normal time which is 0700 Pacific, 1000
> Eastern, 1500 London, 1600 Paris and postpone Jason's presentation to the
> following week.
>
> Thanks for letting me know.
>
> Crispin.
>
>
> On 7 April 2015, Haag, Jason <jason.haag.ctr@adlnet.gov> wrote:
>
> Thanks Crispin! I think I could make the call this week if it were an hour
> later or any other time after that. Friday mornings are usually hectic for
> me. If you can't resched I'll join you all next week and just try to catch
> up on the notes.
>
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> On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Crispin Weston <crispin.weston@saltis.org
> > wrote:
>
> Hi Jason,
>
> No problem on the feedback. It is good that we have all been able to think
> of other things over Easter. I have some catching up to do as well on your
> emails.
>
> I am happy to move the call on Friday to another time (I suggest later,
> rather than earlier, for the benefit of those on the West Coast) - but I
> suspect that it might be problematic to rearrange at short notice. I
> suggest you try a time out on us all - but if it doesn't work for anyone, I
> think we should knock your talk back a week and we can have a more open,
> ad-hoc discussion this Friday. Having had two weeks of me presenting, and
> having a few threads to catch up on in the email traffic, I am sure it
> would do no harm to review the requirement and the roadmap, and have a
> "show and tell". I am sure we have lots to talk about.
>
> With respect to the "show and tell", I was impressed with this report on
> Competency Education, which I found through Twitter:
>
>
> http://www.jff.org/sites/default/files/publications/materials/Equity-in-Competency-Education-103014.pdf
>
> ...which seems coherent and well researched. And, what is more, funded by
> the Gates Foundation. I think it speaks to Frank's point about the
> importance of providing use cases to support competency definitions. I also
> wonder whether "Jobs for the Future" might be an interesting crowd to talk
> to?
>
> Best, Crispin.
>
>
>
> On 7 April 2015, Haag, Jason <jason.haag.ctr@adlnet.gov> wrote:
>
> Hi Crispin,
>
> I'll be happy to give it a shot at working with this tool for our
> high-level data concept mapping activity during next week's meeting.
> Unfortunately, I didn't have as much free reading time last week as I had
> hoped for so I'm just now getting around to providing feedback on your
> docs. I also have a conflict this week if we are still meeting at 11am ET.
>
> Regards,
>
> J Haag
>
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> On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 12:25 PM, Crispin Weston <
> crispin.weston@saltis.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Jason,
>
> That would be great. Would you be able to lead the call on on CMAPS on 10
> April?
> .
> Crispin.
>
>
> On 27 March 2015, Haag, Jason <jason.haag.ctr@adlnet.gov> wrote:
>
>
> Thank you Crispin! I would like to recommend that we look at using a
> concept mapping tool such as CMAPS (http://cmap.ihmc.us/) or something
> similar for mapping our thoughts on the strawman and perhaps a
> complimentary activity/tool for modeling everything you have done already
> using UML.
>
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> On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 11:53 AM, Crispin Weston <
> crispin.weston@saltis.org> wrote:
>
> Dear All,
>
> Thanks for coming to Call_02. We will have no call next week (Good Friday)
> but will pick things up again after Easter on 10 April.
>
> *My takeaways from the call are:*
>
> 1. Ultimately, the development of a tool is required. But before then, we
> need to make sure we are targeting the right tool.
>
> 2. We need a "prospectus" that explains the idea and the potential of
> XDMDL in a way that people can understand, without having the benefit of
> yet being able to offer working demonstrations. I feel that I am perhaps
> too deeply into my own strawman to be able to articulate that high level
> prospectus well - so will appreciate any help that other members of the
> group can give in focusing on the key messages.
>
> 3. We need to compare the sort of functionality that I have been
> envisaging (whether it is expressed as XML or something else) against other
> approaches to the same (or perhaps similar) problems. Jason demonstrated
> his work on Wordnet for disambiguating the meaning of verbs which might be
> used with xAPI. My hunch is that this is a related but slightly lower-level
> problem to the one that I am trying to solve with XDMDL - the structuring
> of data models. But  we need to understand the relationship between the two
> technologies and the problems they are trying to solve.
>
> I wonder if we could focus on the particular problem of creating
> controlled vocabularies for the xAPI verb and what it actually means to
> create verbs which are used consistently by focusing on a use case.
>
> *Possible activities for next call in two weeks* (I am told that
> "fortnight" is quaintly Olde English)
>
> 1. If people can read through the two sections of my paper, available on
> the wiki in the Drafting section, you might have some feedback on the
> details. But otherwise, for the time being at least, I think I have taken
> up enough time on calls for my strawman proposal and suggest we should move
> on to some combination of the following.
>
> 2. Some thoughts on the prospectus - maybe starting with the ecosystem and
> working out from there. I think that Pierre is interested to pick up on any
> work which focuses on a broader scope, addressing this wider vision of what
> the digital ecosystem for education might look like and how XDMDL or
> something similar might contribute to it.
>
> 3. Jason may like to take one call to give us a presentation in greater
> depth on what he has been doing with web ontologies.
>
> 4. Maybe on the back of that, we could focus on a use case for the use of
> different verbs with xAPI - and look to define the problems and see what
> sort of contribution can be made by the web ontology and by an XDMDL schema
> approach.
>
> 5. I can work up a use-case, as proposed by Frank, for the return of
> competency information in an xAPI result record - that may then provide an
> opportunity to revisit the strawman in a few calls time.
>
> Any thoughts on how we should structure the next few calls, do shout.
> Particularly if you would like to lead a call.
>
> Best wishes,
> Crispin
>
> PS. I have posted this email to the wiki as a comment, along with a copy
> of my slides to http://wiki.saltis.org/display/XDMDL/Call-02
>
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