Re: Thoughts after Call_02

Thanks Crispin! I think I could make the call this week if it were an hour
later or any other time after that. Friday mornings are usually hectic for
me. If you can't resched I'll join you all next week and just try to catch
up on the notes.

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On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Crispin Weston <crispin.weston@saltis.org>
wrote:

> Hi Jason,
>
> No problem on the feedback. It is good that we have all been able to think
> of other things over Easter. I have some catching up to do as well on your
> emails.
>
> I am happy to move the call on Friday to another time (I suggest later,
> rather than earlier, for the benefit of those on the West Coast) - but I
> suspect that it might be problematic to rearrange at short notice. I
> suggest you try a time out on us all - but if it doesn't work for anyone, I
> think we should knock your talk back a week and we can have a more open,
> ad-hoc discussion this Friday. Having had two weeks of me presenting, and
> having a few threads to catch up on in the email traffic, I am sure it
> would do no harm to review the requirement and the roadmap, and have a
> "show and tell". I am sure we have lots to talk about.
>
> With respect to the "show and tell", I was impressed with this report on
> Competency Education, which I found through Twitter:
>
>
> http://www.jff.org/sites/default/files/publications/materials/Equity-in-Competency-Education-103014.pdf
>
> ...which seems coherent and well researched. And, what is more, funded by
> the Gates Foundation. I think it speaks to Frank's point about the
> importance of providing use cases to support competency definitions. I also
> wonder whether "Jobs for the Future" might be an interesting crowd to talk
> to?
>
> Best, Crispin.
>
>
>
> On 7 April 2015, Haag, Jason <jason.haag.ctr@adlnet.gov> wrote:
>
> Hi Crispin,
>
> I'll be happy to give it a shot at working with this tool for our
> high-level data concept mapping activity during next week's meeting.
> Unfortunately, I didn't have as much free reading time last week as I had
> hoped for so I'm just now getting around to providing feedback on your
> docs. I also have a conflict this week if we are still meeting at 11am ET.
>
> Regards,
>
> J Haag
>
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> On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 12:25 PM, Crispin Weston <
> crispin.weston@saltis.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Jason,
>
> That would be great. Would you be able to lead the call on on CMAPS on 10
> April?
> .
> Crispin.
>
>
> On 27 March 2015, Haag, Jason <jason.haag.ctr@adlnet.gov> wrote:
>
>
> Thank you Crispin! I would like to recommend that we look at using a
> concept mapping tool such as CMAPS (http://cmap.ihmc.us/) or something
> similar for mapping our thoughts on the strawman and perhaps a
> complimentary activity/tool for modeling everything you have done already
> using UML.
>
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> On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 11:53 AM, Crispin Weston <
> crispin.weston@saltis.org> wrote:
>
> Dear All,
>
> Thanks for coming to Call_02. We will have no call next week (Good Friday)
> but will pick things up again after Easter on 10 April.
>
> *My takeaways from the call are:*
>
> 1. Ultimately, the development of a tool is required. But before then, we
> need to make sure we are targeting the right tool.
>
> 2. We need a "prospectus" that explains the idea and the potential of
> XDMDL in a way that people can understand, without having the benefit of
> yet being able to offer working demonstrations. I feel that I am perhaps
> too deeply into my own strawman to be able to articulate that high level
> prospectus well - so will appreciate any help that other members of the
> group can give in focusing on the key messages.
>
> 3. We need to compare the sort of functionality that I have been
> envisaging (whether it is expressed as XML or something else) against other
> approaches to the same (or perhaps similar) problems. Jason demonstrated
> his work on Wordnet for disambiguating the meaning of verbs which might be
> used with xAPI. My hunch is that this is a related but slightly lower-level
> problem to the one that I am trying to solve with XDMDL - the structuring
> of data models. But  we need to understand the relationship between the two
> technologies and the problems they are trying to solve.
>
> I wonder if we could focus on the particular problem of creating
> controlled vocabularies for the xAPI verb and what it actually means to
> create verbs which are used consistently by focusing on a use case.
>
> *Possible activities for next call in two weeks* (I am told that
> "fortnight" is quaintly Olde English)
>
> 1. If people can read through the two sections of my paper, available on
> the wiki in the Drafting section, you might have some feedback on the
> details. But otherwise, for the time being at least, I think I have taken
> up enough time on calls for my strawman proposal and suggest we should move
> on to some combination of the following.
>
> 2. Some thoughts on the prospectus - maybe starting with the ecosystem and
> working out from there. I think that Pierre is interested to pick up on any
> work which focuses on a broader scope, addressing this wider vision of what
> the digital ecosystem for education might look like and how XDMDL or
> something similar might contribute to it.
>
> 3. Jason may like to take one call to give us a presentation in greater
> depth on what he has been doing with web ontologies.
>
> 4. Maybe on the back of that, we could focus on a use case for the use of
> different verbs with xAPI - and look to define the problems and see what
> sort of contribution can be made by the web ontology and by an XDMDL schema
> approach.
>
> 5. I can work up a use-case, as proposed by Frank, for the return of
> competency information in an xAPI result record - that may then provide an
> opportunity to revisit the strawman in a few calls time.
>
> Any thoughts on how we should structure the next few calls, do shout.
> Particularly if you would like to lead a call.
>
> Best wishes,
> Crispin
>
> PS. I have posted this email to the wiki as a comment, along with a copy
> of my slides to http://wiki.saltis.org/display/XDMDL/Call-02
>
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