Minutes: WSC WG weekly 2007-02-13

The minutes from our meeting on 13 February are approved and
publicly available online:

  http://www.w3.org/2007/02/13-wsc-minutes

Thanks to Tim Hahn for scribing.

Regards,
-- 
Thomas Roessler, W3C  <tlr@w3.org>



   [1]W3C 

                             WSC weekly 2007-02-13

13 Feb 2007

   [2]Agenda

   See also: [3]IRC log

Attendees

   Present
          MaryEllen_Zurko,   Thomas,   beltzner,   tyler,   Hal_Lockhart,
          Maritza_Johnson,  Yakov_Sverdlov,  Tim_Hahn,  Rob_Franco,  PHB,
          Paul_Hill, staikos, Brad_Porter

   Regrets
   Chair
          Mez

   Scribe
          tjh

Contents

     * [4]Topics
         1. [5]Approve minutes from last two meetings
         2. [6]Newly closed action items
         3. [7]Agenda bashing
         4. [8]use case rework
         5. [9]First Public Working Draft (FPWD) planning
         6. [10]questions on ISSUE-9
         7. [11]questions on ISSUE-10
         8. [12]next meeting
     * [13]Summary of Action Items
     _________________________________________________________________

Approve minutes from last two meetings

   quick review for tim on the scribe role and scribe conventions

   <tlr> [14]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/30-wsc-minutes

   <tlr> [15]http://www.w3.org/2007/01/31-wsc-minutes

   <tlr> [16]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-wsc-minutes.html

   <tlr> RESOLVED: minutes approved

   no denials on the acceptance of minutes

   scribe: so approved

Newly closed action items

   mez: thanks everyone for making progress on the action items

Agenda bashing

   mez: suggest change to content of meeting to discuss chrome
   ... at least one critical party is lacking

   <tlr> we could do the chrome discussion however, it sseems better for the
   list

   tlr: reason - it has been a useful discussion on the list

   <beltzner> seriously!

   beltzner: suggest continue the discussion on the list as it is progressing
   well there.

use case rework

   <tlr>
   [17]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wsc-wg/2007Feb/0026.html

   mez: has everyone read this through and found it OK?
   ... is silence affirmation? Is this a good set of replacement text

   tjh: has not read it all the way through and thus must abstain

   <Pau1> ditto :)

   <tlr> Variations: The URI that Doyle typed can be correct or not. Orthogonal
   to this, he can end up on the web site he intended to interact with, or not.
   Doyle might also have typed a keyword glanced from the movie screen into a
   search box.

   <PHB> Orthogonal in use cases means that satisfying one use case does not
   necessarily affect another

   tlr: suggests different wording here and there.
   ... to make clear that this is in a different direction

   beltzner: intends to read today.

   phb: thinking about orthogonal piece
   ... not sure there can be orthogonal use cases

   <tlr> ACTION: thomas to replace "orthogonal" by clearer language in the use
   case rework [recorded in
   [18]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/13-wsc-minutes.html#action01]

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-141 - Replace \"orthogonal\" by clearer language
   in the use case rework [on Thomas Roessler - due 2007-02-20].

   phb: use cases tend to be variations and thus terming them independent may
   be better than orthogonal.

   tlr: happy to replace it (see ACTION-141)

   <Mez_>
   [19]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wsc-wg/2007Feb/0053.html

   tyler: looking at e-mail - use case 18 was reworked from use case 11.
   ... current use case does not talk about matching up names
   ... it is likely that this issue will come up

   <tlr> [20]http://www.w3.org/2006/WSC/drafts/note/#introduction

   <Tyler>
   [21]http://www.w3.org/2006/WSC/drafts/note/Overview.html#introduction

   tlr: discusses use case 11, and clarifies 18
   ... we would not deal with where a reputation service is, just that it
   exists somewhere

   mez: so what is the right fix?

   tlr: there are multiple use cases related to what Tyler referred to in use
   case 11
   ... for example, a bank that has just changed its name.

   tlr: believes the intended question (from Tyler) is covered by several of
   the use cases

   tyler: any feedback from Stuart yet on how these fit in to a more structured
   model?

   mez: he is out this week, so not yet. Hopefully he will engage next week.
   ... it will be important to get his feedback.

   hal: likes the idea of extracting out these properties.
   ... this is a way to clear up the large number of potential cases.

   tlr: one thing noted was that some of the critical distinctions were not
   along the same lines as the original use cases

   <Mez_>
   [22]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wsc-wg/2007Feb/0053.html

   mez: let us look forward to mike's reply
   ... do the use cases cover Confidentiality, Integrity, Authenticity?
   ... and cover Reputation?

   tyler: need to re-evaluate them for this.

   tlr: one that is not covered well is integrity.
   ... use case 19 covers authenticity
   ...  tlr to take an action to clarify use case 19 covers network-level
   authenticity

   <tlr> ACTION: thomas to change use case 19 to make clear that network-levle
   confdentiality      threats      are      covered     [recorded     in
   [23]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/13-wsc-minutes.html#action02]

   <trackbot>  Created ACTION-142 - Change use case 19 to make clear that
   network-levle confdentiality threats are covered [on Thomas Roessler - due
   2007-02-20].

   mez: looking for first public draft of this soon

   mez: after this discussion completes, these use cases should be dropped into
   the first public working document (FPWD).

   <tlr> tlr: PROPOSED to take use case rework into FPWD

   hal: is this supposed to represent what is or how users think about what
   they are seeing?
   ... suspects that users view/assess reputation quite a bit more than, say,
   integrity
   ... users also tend to think of CIA wholistically, rather than separately

   tlr: at the F2F we looked at some basic roles around these scenarios
   ... then write a story around the scenario so that people can understand the
   scenario, and also describe the important aspects
   ... of that scenario from a security perspective.
   ... if there is some additional questions that a user would ask that are not
   covered here
   ... then let us create additional use cases to cover those.
   ... hopes that we would go back and review these, then revisit/update the
   use case as appropriate.
   ... if there are more questions we need to address that are not motivated by
   these use cases, then we need to add more use cases
   ... to ensure those questions have a basis

First Public Working Draft (FPWD) planning

   mez: really want FPWD by next meeting

   <tlr> look over the current text for huge issues

   mez: requests everyone look over the draft today or tomorrow

   tyler: requests Thomas drop the new use cases into the note

   tlr: not able to do it by tomorrow (in other meetings)
   ... also have an action item due today to do some re-formatting and updates
   ... could just send an updated text version to the list

   mez: suggest we go with whatever is there at end of day tomorrow - or wait
   another week.

   tlr: feels this need not shift the deliverable a whole week

   mez: asks how much time we need from the final re-wording to review

   tlr: should only take a couple days to review it
   ... proposes tyler re-format during the day tomorrow

   tyler: reformat, yes, but resolving parenthetical comments no

   tlr: sounds like there will be SOME version by end day tomorrow

   mez: sounds good
   ... have we closed discussion on ACTION-125 ?
   ... no responses - it appears that we have closed discussion.

questions on ISSUE-9

   tlr: proposed title: Web Security Context Use Cases and Requirements

   <tlr> PROPOSED title: Web Security Context Use Cases and Requirements

   tyler: everyone I have talked to has been baffled by "web Security Context"

   mez: agrees

   mez, tlr: request folks find or dream up a better name/phrase

   <Zakim> tlr, you wanted to raise ISSUE-10

   <tlr> [24]http://www.w3.org/2006/WSC/Group/track/issues/10

questions on ISSUE-10

   tlr: in the current note text, there is confusion over the term "web"
   ... what is "web" and what is "non-web"
   ... there is some discussion about HTTP, HTTPS protocols
   ... there is some stuff "nearby" like SOAP.
   ... things out of scope like "touch e-mail"
   ... but what about things related to information in a URI (wherever that URI
   might appear)?
   ... proposes: we start out saying the core of our scope is the web, surfed
   using HTTP, with a reference to the web architecture document.
   ... then that we will be dealing with security layer, in particular HTTPS.
   ... and then other protocols that show up in URIs, while not a goal, we may
   offer some guidance on

   mez: this text needs to get in by close of business tomorrow ... or we wait
   a week

   tlr: what do people think of the current text?

   mez: the stuff there so far looked ok (thus no response)
   ... but please propose text.

   beltzner: is this a blocker?
   ... seems not
   ... assuming not, let the first draft go and we can discuss outside of a
   rush.

   tlr: feels this is important

   tyler: am aware of the time-sink that this can take us down.

   <tlr>  ACTION: thomas to propose text to resolve ISSUE-10 [recorded in
   [25]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/13-wsc-minutes.html#action03]

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-143 - Propose text to resolve ISSUE-10 [on Thomas
   Roessler - due 2007-02-20].

   <Pau1> no complaints from me

   tlr: one more issue with the draft - section 9.3 (Implementation)
   ... current text is relatively strong about having open source reference
   implementations.
   ... would be delighted to see this, but can we make this request?

   <Tyler>
   [26]http://www.w3.org/2006/WSC/drafts/note/Overview.html#usability-testing

   tlr: also, it says sample code will be made available by the working group

   <tlr>
   [27]http://www.w3.org/mid/OF75AA6DF6.9CE9675E-ON8525727A.00765350-8525727B.0
   0573FDA@LocalDomain

   tlr: or at least be made available publically
   ... concerned that we are making this bold statement

   <Mez_> and thomas' reply online is

   <Mez_>
   [28]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wsc-wg/2007Feb/0034.html

   hal: then let us just drop it, and not promise anything

   tjh: I ack hal's idea
   ... (or at least I ack not promising we will deliver sample code)

   <staikos> I hope to provide sample code and make it publically available

   <staikos> :-)

   <staikos> publicly

   tlr: mez to take an action to make this change.

   <tlr> ACTION: zurko to drop public sample code promise from 10.3 and send
   text to list & tyler [recorded in
   [29]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/13-wsc-minutes.html#action04]

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-144 - Drop public sample code promise from 10.3
   and send text to list & tyler [on Mary Ellen Zurko - due 2007-02-20].

   <Tyler> Mez and TLR can we talk after the call?

   <tlr> we can just stay on the bridge

next meeting

   mez: we adjourn now at 0:59
   ... hopefully threat trees in two weeks.

   <tlr> [30]http://www.w3.org/2005/08/transition?docstatus=fpwd-wd-tr

   <tlr> [31]http://w3.org/brief/MzE=

Summary of Action Items

   [NEW] ACTION: thomas to change use case 19 to make clear that network-levle
   confdentiality      threats      are      covered     [recorded     in
   [32]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/13-wsc-minutes.html#action02]
   [NEW]  ACTION: thomas to propose text to resolve ISSUE-10 [recorded in
   [33]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/13-wsc-minutes.html#action03]
   [NEW] ACTION: thomas to replace "orthogonal" by clearer language in the use
   case rework [recorded in
   [34]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/13-wsc-minutes.html#action01]
   [NEW] ACTION: zurko to drop public sample code promise from 10.3 and send
   text to list & tyler [recorded in
   [35]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/13-wsc-minutes.html#action04]

   [End of minutes]
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