Re: Revised proposal 3965: Clarify text surrounding PolicyReference and for usage of wsp:Name attribute (primer)

Yalcinalp, Umit wrote:
> Hi Fabian, 
>
> I have a question. 
>
> In 2, it seems that this is not really a Primer issue but should be part
> of the Framework spec. I am curious why you targeted this point for the
> Primer. 
>   

Section 4.2 in the framework states:

|/wsp:Policy/(@wsu:Id | @xml:id)|

    The identity of the policy expression as an |ID| within the
    enclosing XML document...


WSDL 2.0, chapter 4 says:

Both mechanisms work at the level of WSDL 2.0 components and NOT at the 
level of XML Information Sets or XML 1.0 serializations.


The text in my proposal part 2 just pulls the two together for people 
that are not intimately familiar with both specifications. And it 
doesn't really seem appropriate to discuss WSDL in the framework, the 
policy attachment chapters on WSDL 1.1/2.0 seem more suitable.

Fabian


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: public-ws-policy-request@w3.org 
>> [mailto:public-ws-policy-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Fabian Ritzmann
>> Sent: Tuesday, Dec 05, 2006 7:38 AM
>> To: public-ws-policy@w3.org
>> Subject: Revised proposal 3965: Clarify text surrounding 
>> PolicyReference and for usage of wsp:Name attribute (primer)
>>
>>
>> I've updated the proposal for issue 3965 as discussed in last 
>> week's conf call.
>>
>> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3965
>>
>>
>>
>> Title
>>
>> Clarify text surrounding PolicyReference and cover wsdl:import use
>>
>>
>> Description
>>
>> See Justification and Proposal
>>
>>
>> Justification
>>
>> The description of retrieving policy references seems 
>> mislocated in section 3.2
>> (normalization). wsdl:import is used frequently in real WSDL 
>> documents and
>> should be covered when policy references are discussed.
>>
>>
>> Target
>>
>> Primer
>>
>> Note: At some point, if section 5.1 of the Guidelines is extended, the
>> Guidelines may be affected.
>>
>>
>> Proposal
>>
>> 1.a)
>>
>> Create a new section after section 3.5. Name the new section 
>> "3.6 Policy
>> Retrieval".
>>
>> Move the entire block of text in Section 3.2 to the newly 
>> created section 3.6:
>>
>> "Just as other service metadata languages, Web Services 
>> Policy does not mandate
>> any specific policy retrieval mechanism ... If the referenced 
>> policy expression
>> is in the same XML document as the reference, then the policy 
>> expression should
>> be identified using the wsu:Id (XML ID) attribute and 
>> referenced using an IRI
>> reference to this XML ID value."
>>
>> 1.b)
>>
>> Add a reference to the end of section 3.2: "See section 3.6 
>> for more details
>> how to retrieve referenced policy expressions."
>>
>> 2.
>>
>> Add to the end of the newly created section 3.6:
>>
>> WSDL 1.1 [WSDL 1.1] section 2.1 and WSDL 2.0 [WSDL 2.0 Core 
>> Language] chapter 4
>> allow to import or include WSDL documents into another WSDL 
>> document with the
>> wsdl11:import, wsdl20:import, and wsdl20:include statements. 
>> The importing and
>> imported WSDL documents constitute separate XML documents 
>> each. If e.g. the
>> importing WSDL document references a policy in the imported 
>> WSDL document, the
>> rules for policy references between separate XML documents 
>> apply as described
>> in section 2.8. 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     


-- 
Fabian Ritzmann
Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Stella Business Park             Phone +358-9-525 562 96
Lars Sonckin kaari 12            Fax   +358-9-525 562 52
02600 Espoo                      Email Fabian.Ritzmann@Sun.COM
Finland